NSW stabbings...
13-Apr-24 8:23am
#1 ft763
Not sure if y'all heard, but there was a horrendous killing at a Bondi shopping center, Sydney.
https://www.news.com...
#1 ft763
Not sure if y'all heard, but there was a horrendous killing at a Bondi shopping center, Sydney.
https://www.news.com...
13-Apr-24 9:23am
#4 Porksta
Obviously the only solution is to ban knives. They should have a knife buyback program.
#4 Porksta
Obviously the only solution is to ban knives. They should have a knife buyback program.
13-Apr-24 10:11am
#6 Lunar
Single shot to the chest, huh
Either Australians are good shots or we are bad.
#6 Lunar
Single shot to the chest, huh
Either Australians are good shots or we are bad.
13-Apr-24 10:14am
#7 Lunar
Porksta wrote:
Obviously the only solution is to ban knives. They should have a knife buyback program.
Imagine if he had a AR...
A lone female cop killed him with a single shot..because he only had a knife.
#7 Lunar
Porksta wrote:
Obviously the only solution is to ban knives. They should have a knife buyback program.
Imagine if he had a AR...
A lone female cop killed him with a single shot..because he only had a knife.
13-Apr-24 2:57pm
#8 KCPenguins
If this was the US there would be protests over excessive force. Kudos to the cop. Rot in hell dirt bag. Prayers to the actual victims. Heart breaking to read about the mom losing her life trying to save her infant.
#8 KCPenguins
If this was the US there would be protests over excessive force. Kudos to the cop. Rot in hell dirt bag. Prayers to the actual victims. Heart breaking to read about the mom losing her life trying to save her infant.
13-Apr-24 5:17pm
#9 benstylus
KCPenguins wrote:
If this was the US there would be protests over excessive force.
A cop shooting someone who is on a murder spree and already killed six people? You are out of your mind if you think there would be protests in the US over that.
#9 benstylus
KCPenguins wrote:
If this was the US there would be protests over excessive force.
A cop shooting someone who is on a murder spree and already killed six people? You are out of your mind if you think there would be protests in the US over that.
13-Apr-24 5:19pm
#10 Porksta
They absolutely would. Remember, step one is to have a social worker attempt to talk the person down. You can't just go straight to deadly force.
/s (if it wasn't obvious)
#10 Porksta
They absolutely would. Remember, step one is to have a social worker attempt to talk the person down. You can't just go straight to deadly force.
/s (if it wasn't obvious)
13-Apr-24 5:54pm
#11 benstylus
Porksta wrote:
They absolutely would. Remember, step one is to have a social worker attempt to talk the person down. You can't just go straight to deadly force.
Sorry but no. If it's a hostage situation that's one thing but it someone is actively murdering people, I'm pretty sure every armed first responder is trained that unless you are at an elementary school in Texas, the absolute first priority is to neutralize the threat.
And 99.9% of America would be totally OK with this.
#11 benstylus
Porksta wrote:
They absolutely would. Remember, step one is to have a social worker attempt to talk the person down. You can't just go straight to deadly force.
Sorry but no. If it's a hostage situation that's one thing but it someone is actively murdering people, I'm pretty sure every armed first responder is trained that unless you are at an elementary school in Texas, the absolute first priority is to neutralize the threat.
And 99.9% of America would be totally OK with this.
13-Apr-24 6:26pm
#12 theJaw
Porksta wrote:
They absolutely would. Remember, step one is to have a social worker attempt to talk the person down. You can't just go straight to deadly force. /s (if it wasn't obvious)
It wasn't straight to deadly force. He murdered people and lunged at the officer. The officer took one shot and ended it, all on camera.
These sorts of exaggerated suggestions -- that exist solely to "stick it" to people sick of mass shootings -- truly only work to make this sort of argument hold even less weight than it already did. Nonsensical and entirely unnecessary.
#12 theJaw
Porksta wrote:
They absolutely would. Remember, step one is to have a social worker attempt to talk the person down. You can't just go straight to deadly force. /s (if it wasn't obvious)
It wasn't straight to deadly force. He murdered people and lunged at the officer. The officer took one shot and ended it, all on camera.
These sorts of exaggerated suggestions -- that exist solely to "stick it" to people sick of mass shootings -- truly only work to make this sort of argument hold even less weight than it already did. Nonsensical and entirely unnecessary.
13-Apr-24 6:28pm
#13 ft763
@Porksta Isn't negotiation only a part of the procedure if there's like a gunman holding many hostages? Rather than this kinda random madman impaling people...
I think that previous users pretty much pointed out the same thing. Lethal force is the FIRST thing if there's a psycho like Ghostface in the vicinity. Persuading him not to do it is OUT OF THE QUESTION!
#13 ft763
@Porksta Isn't negotiation only a part of the procedure if there's like a gunman holding many hostages? Rather than this kinda random madman impaling people...
I think that previous users pretty much pointed out the same thing. Lethal force is the FIRST thing if there's a psycho like Ghostface in the vicinity. Persuading him not to do it is OUT OF THE QUESTION!
13-Apr-24 6:40pm
#14 Porksta
Damn, wasn't even sure if the /s on my post was necessary. I put it just in case and just got three posts in a row that overlooked it lol.
The comment was a joke referencing how a couple years ago much of America thought social workers should be used in place of police officers.
#14 Porksta
Damn, wasn't even sure if the /s on my post was necessary. I put it just in case and just got three posts in a row that overlooked it lol.
The comment was a joke referencing how a couple years ago much of America thought social workers should be used in place of police officers.
13-Apr-24 8:42pm
#15 benstylus
Porksta wrote:
Damn, wasn't even sure if the /s on my post was necessary. I put it just in case and just got three posts in a row that overlooked it lol.
We saw it (I did anyway). I ignored it because it didn't change the intent of your post.
The comment was a joke referencing how a couple years ago much of America thought social workers should be used in place of police officers.
Most situations where police currently get involved aren't active murder sites. So in many situations, I think a social worker or a mental health professional would probably do more good than a police officer, based on my perception of their relative training and skillsets.
#15 benstylus
Porksta wrote:
Damn, wasn't even sure if the /s on my post was necessary. I put it just in case and just got three posts in a row that overlooked it lol.
We saw it (I did anyway). I ignored it because it didn't change the intent of your post.
The comment was a joke referencing how a couple years ago much of America thought social workers should be used in place of police officers.
Most situations where police currently get involved aren't active murder sites. So in many situations, I think a social worker or a mental health professional would probably do more good than a police officer, based on my perception of their relative training and skillsets.
13-Apr-24 10:54pm
#16 Xena
benstylus wrote:
KCPenguins wrote:> If this was the US there would be protests over excessive force. A cop shooting someone who is on a murder spree and already killed six people? You are out of your mind if you think there would be protests in the US over that.
there sure as hell wasn't when a guy i knew shot up my town and two others before he offed himself
#16 Xena
benstylus wrote:
KCPenguins wrote:> If this was the US there would be protests over excessive force. A cop shooting someone who is on a murder spree and already killed six people? You are out of your mind if you think there would be protests in the US over that.
there sure as hell wasn't when a guy i knew shot up my town and two others before he offed himself
13-Apr-24 11:35pm
#17 theJaw
Porksta wrote:
Damn, wasn't even sure if the /s on my post was necessary. I put it just in case and just got three posts in a row that overlooked it lol. The comment was a joke referencing how a couple years ago much of America thought social workers should be used in place of police officers.
I didn’t overlook it, your post was just on par with opinions you’ve shared in the past. Just pointless cynicism. Your explanation sorta backs that up considering the idea wasn’t suggesting to outright “replace” police officers with social workers in all instances across the board, you just chose to take it that way.
#17 theJaw
Porksta wrote:
Damn, wasn't even sure if the /s on my post was necessary. I put it just in case and just got three posts in a row that overlooked it lol. The comment was a joke referencing how a couple years ago much of America thought social workers should be used in place of police officers.
I didn’t overlook it, your post was just on par with opinions you’ve shared in the past. Just pointless cynicism. Your explanation sorta backs that up considering the idea wasn’t suggesting to outright “replace” police officers with social workers in all instances across the board, you just chose to take it that way.
14-Apr-24 12:37am
#18 ft763
benstylus wrote:
Porksta wrote:> Damn, wasn't even sure if the /s on my post was necessary. I put it just in case> and just got three posts in a row that overlooked it lol. We saw it (I did anyway). I ignored it because it didn't change the intent of your post.> The comment was a joke referencing how a couple years ago much of America thought> social workers should be used in place of police officers. Most situations where police currently get involved aren't active murder sites. So in many situations, I think a social worker or a mental health professional would probably do more good than a police officer, based on my perception of their relative training and skillsets.
What makes you say that a 'mental health pro' is somehow more effective than a negotiator? Isthere evidence? Curious...
#18 ft763
benstylus wrote:
Porksta wrote:> Damn, wasn't even sure if the /s on my post was necessary. I put it just in case> and just got three posts in a row that overlooked it lol. We saw it (I did anyway). I ignored it because it didn't change the intent of your post.> The comment was a joke referencing how a couple years ago much of America thought> social workers should be used in place of police officers. Most situations where police currently get involved aren't active murder sites. So in many situations, I think a social worker or a mental health professional would probably do more good than a police officer, based on my perception of their relative training and skillsets.
What makes you say that a 'mental health pro' is somehow more effective than a negotiator? Isthere evidence? Curious...
14-Apr-24 4:30am
#19 benstylus
ft763 wrote:
What makes you say that a 'mental health pro' is somehow more effective than a negotiator? Isthere evidence? Curious...
I would say a trained crisis negotiator would be appropriate if it's a high risk situation. (As a side note, they would more then likely have quite a bit of mental health training as well).
But most interactions currently handled by police in the US are far more mundane than active murderers, hostage situations, or other scenarios where the likelihood of life-threatening violence is high.
Here's a story out of Denver about using mental health people for nonviolent emergency calls.
https://www.nbcnews....
#19 benstylus
ft763 wrote:
What makes you say that a 'mental health pro' is somehow more effective than a negotiator? Isthere evidence? Curious...
I would say a trained crisis negotiator would be appropriate if it's a high risk situation. (As a side note, they would more then likely have quite a bit of mental health training as well).
But most interactions currently handled by police in the US are far more mundane than active murderers, hostage situations, or other scenarios where the likelihood of life-threatening violence is high.
Here's a story out of Denver about using mental health people for nonviolent emergency calls.
https://www.nbcnews....
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