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How could someone sell a one of a kind album or catalog of music?
14-Jun-22 1:42pm
#1
KillerKlown
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Nearly two decades ago I recorded an album. I had a small record deal lined up to distribute it. Something like 10k.... and $2 from each CD sold. It was going to be put in stores, but the company wasn't big, and I highly doubted it was going to get promoted. But one of their artists were featured on the Jimmy Kimmel Show so I seriously considered it..... Like there wasn't a budget for videos and it required me to sign way the masters and lyrics. Around the same time, I was offered a full time job in something else. Due to the lyrical content of the album I went into the career instead of releasing the album. It seemed risky to do both. By today's standards it's probably PG, but back then it was R. IMO, it's one of the greatest rap albums of all time and it's not comparable to anything I've personally heard. It feels like it's own genre. It's very different and the topic matter is timeless. I regret that I didn't go for it, but it wasn't a "for sure thing" and I had bills. In addition to this album, I have around 80 other songs that I've recorded throughout the years. Probably 4-5 albums of quality material. Recently, I've contemplated uploading everything to streaming services, but I've learned it's difficult to make money on there. I know CD's no longer sell, and online campaigns like Kickstarter aren't really successful without super large fan bases. So it's difficult thinking of a marketing strategy to sell something that doesn't really have a modern sound or fanbase. I don't want to give away something I've spent nearly 20 years perfecting. Recently, I've read about Snoop Dogg and his NFT's. Is there a site/company who does this for underground artists? Or auction houses that specialize in one of a kind items? A few years back, I reached out to a couple classy ones in NY, but was told they didn't sell items like this. I'm unsure how that's any different from a painting or hand written letter... Maybe because it's digital? This was before the NFT craze.... Like why isn't there a website/company that allows you to sell 1:1 products like music, albums, movies, etc.... to rich clients? Or the idea like NFT's, where something is crowdfunded prior to release? But without crypto? I know Wu-Tang sold a 1:1 album for a million dollars, but surprisingly others haven't copied this model. I presume most semi popular rappers today aren't earning a million per release.... I presume 100k or less.... Maybe they don't want to risk the embarrassment if it doesn't sell.... In that case, the album couldn't even be resold or released. I'm not Wu-Tang.... but I would think a super rich person somewhere wouldn't necessarily care about that. But they would need to hear samples of the music... Like they'd have to think it was good. So how could someone like me attract a wale to sell my entire catalog and rights to without an auction house? Like make a random website and promote it? Like richguypleasebuymymusic.com? Pop it on Ebay with snippets? Any thoughts or ideas are appreciated. I've just never seen anyone try this before and it boggles my mind why....
14-Jun-22 2:03pm
#2
John
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I don't want to burst bubbles here... But no one is going to pay for "a painting or hand written letter" from some unknown nobody -- to answer your question -- and the same goes for an unknown nobody with a music catalog of stuff that they have done. Unfortunately, artists are a dime a dozen in most cases. Very, very few "make it" to any significant income at all. In today's world, most of the ones that are successful are "created" by music industry giants -- not "discovered" from random music out there (and certainly not made because someone bought their unknown catalog of multiple albums worth of songs).

As far as the Wu-Tang NFT... That wasn't purchased because of the quality of the music. In fact, no one had heard it beforehand -- and, even after, they had to get a lawyer to listen to it to make sure it existed, if I recall. Sorry, but you aren't going to find a crypto whale to buy your unknown catalog. (And, heck, let's face it -- a lot of "crypto whales" from last month are now just "crypto big fish" at best. smile )

In my opinion, your best bet is to freely release a couple of your best songs on YouTube and hope that you somehow get some followers. But, again, I know you think it is the best rap ever -- but EVERY rapper thinks that. Especially those that have never had more than a handful of people listen to it to give any feedback.

It's an incredibly hard industry to break into successfully if you are doing it full time and intend to make new music. It's even worse if you gave it up years ago and have this unknown catalog to try to sell. The industry just doesn't work that way.
14-Jun-22 2:10pm
#3
John
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Oh, and just to clarify, that Wu-Tang album wasn't even an NFT or NFT related at all. It was a physical album -- bought by one of the worst people on the planet -- and then resold to an NFT group (because they had the money needed). So, it is only NFT related because the group that ended up buying it (to help fund the debts that Martin Shkreli had) happened to get THEIR money from NFT stuff. It's still just a physical album originally purchased by a guy completely outside of crypto/NFT really.
14-Jun-22 2:26pm
#4
KillerKlown
Triple Gold Good Trader

John wrote:
I don't want to burst bubbles here... But no one is going to pay for "a painting or hand written letter" from some unknown nobody -- to answer your question -- and the same goes for an unknown nobody with a music catalog of stuff that they have done. Unfortunately, artists are a dime a dozen in most cases. Very, very few "make it" to any significant income at all. In today's world, most of the ones that are successful are "created" by music industry giants -- not "discovered" from random music out there (and certainly not made because someone bought their unknown catalog of multiple albums worth of songs). As far as the Wu-Tang NFT... That wasn't purchased because of the quality of the music. In fact, no one had heard it beforehand -- and, even after, they had to get a lawyer to listen to it to make sure it existed, if I recall. Sorry, but you aren't going to find a crypto whale to buy your unknown catalog. (And, heck, let's face it -- a lot of "crypto whales" from last month are now just "crypto big fish" at best. smile ) In my opinion, your best bet is to freely release a couple of your best songs on YouTube and hope that you somehow get some followers. But, again, I know you think it is the best rap ever -- but EVERY rapper thinks that. Especially those that have never had more than a handful of people listen to it to give any feedback. It's an incredibly hard industry to break into successfully if you are doing it full time and intend to make new music. It's even worse if you gave it up years ago and have this unknown catalog to try to sell. The industry just doesn't work that way.
I don't think I'm the best rapper. I'm not delusional, but at one point I had 50k fans on Myspace... To the point record companies reached out to me...
Just not big ones. Back then, I only had a couple demos posted to my profile...
My wife hates my music.... She says it's too dark... lol.... Back in the day I posted a few tracks to forums.... People really dug it and these were forums
where people didn't generally say nice things....
I'm not looking to get popular or famous... My time has past....
I'd just probably rather take it all of the grave than make $50.
I know there are tons private collectors, and I know NFT's are selling.... Not just of popular artists....
Random BS pictures and doodles of stuff.... No reason why that can't also work for songs....
Are rando's selling songs? I'm not really familiar with bitcoin or NFT's... Like I'd have to no idea how to create or sell that.... But I see there are marketplaces...
I realize nobody is going to buy "crap," and what I'm selling isn't "crap."
But you're right, crypto just tanked.... But it doesn't mean it won't come back soon.
But still people like to buy things that are rare.





14-Jun-22 2:27pm
#5
KillerKlown
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John wrote:
Oh, and just to clarify, that Wu-Tang album wasn't even an NFT or NFT related at all. It was a physical album -- bought by one of the worst people on the planet -- and then resold to an NFT group (because they had the money needed). So, it is only NFT related because the group that ended up buying it (to help fund the debts that Martin Shkreli had) happened to get THEIR money from NFT stuff. It's still just a physical album originally purchased by a guy completely outside of crypto/NFT really.
I'm aware. That's why I asked why other artists haven't done it... It was successful out of the NFT/Bitcoin world.
I would have thought many artists would have jumped on this bandwagon.
14-Jun-22 2:42pm
#6
sa330206
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I've heard of people getting big on SoundCloud. But you'd need the right following and people to share the song. I kind of agree that releasing a few top songs on YouTube might be your best bet to gain some interest.
14-Jun-22 3:06pm
#7
KillerKlown
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sa330206 wrote:
I've heard of people getting big on SoundCloud. But you'd need the right following and people to share the song. I kind of agree that releasing a few top songs on YouTube might be your best bet to gain some interest.
Draw interest? Maybe, but that's not going to amount to $$$/profit. I have zero interest in releasing anything unless there is a pay off.
That's not the point of my post. My post is asking how could I possibly selling a 1:1 copy of all of my music for the most $$$ possible.
Once a song is released online it's worth nothing.... Especially on a fresh Youtube page with zero subscribers.
It would have to be a big song/video to produce followers/subscribers and ultimately payoff. A semi nice video is 5k+..... I'm not looking to spend money.
That's something I should have done nearly 20 years ago....
I have no interest in trying to create or restart a rap career. I'm too old for that to ever work. I just want to sell off my catalog. Either to a collector or someone who wants to re-create the songs.
If I can only get 10k for everything that's whatever.... But that's still better than the $50 I'd make on streaming.
I'm not a random Soundcloud rapper. It sounds super professional.
There's gotta be a way to NFT or 1:1 it all. But then again I guess everyone would do that if it was easy.



14-Jun-22 3:22pm
#8
SwiftJAB
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Post it on eBay then do a ton of work to promote it.

14-Jun-22 3:34pm
#9
sa330206
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Makes sense, I guess I am just saying you have to create interest before you could sell the music and make any money. That might involve giving away some songs for free as people would want a sample. I can't imagine someone would drop big cash on some mystery music without hearing any of it. Either way, best of luck... hope you can turn your hard work into some cash!
14-Jun-22 3:55pm
#10
Sid_Ceaser
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Why not upload the album to a place like Bandcamp and see how it goes? Set a price for a download of the album, offer a free single for visitors.

I'm not sure what the kickback on Bandcamp is, but it seems to have a lot of artists on there.

It might be work taking a day and getting a profile set up and your album uploaded on there. Whip up an album cover so you have something visually and test it out.



14-Jun-22 7:06pm
#11
KillerKlown
Triple Gold Good Trader

Sid_Ceaser wrote:
Why not upload the album to a place like Bandcamp and see how it goes? Set a price for a download of the album, offer a free single for visitors. I'm not sure what the kickback on Bandcamp is, but it seems to have a lot of artists on there. It might be work taking a day and getting a profile set up and your album uploaded on there. Whip up an album cover so you have something visually and test it out.
Because once it's uploaded all value is eliminated unless it sells well.
Like if I wanted to sell the song or the lyrics once it's uploaded all of those possibilities are gone.
Once again, I'm not looking to start a music career. Just find a unique way to sell what I've already made.
Even if it's just a 1:1 copy for a larger chunk of change. Or selling the rights to the lyrics and melodies.
Bandcamp literally plays the entire album for free. Not samples. The entire song. Lower quality, but it can still easily be ripped at 128kb.
I've never actually purchased a digital album. Do people do that?
I guess I'll have to look up some analytics on how well things sell on there compared to Itunes and other platforms. Over the years I've seen a few artists use it, but I've never purchased anything.
To me, finding my music would be like a needle in a haystack unless they made me a featured artist. The same can be said for most streaming services.
The purpose of this thread was to brainstorm unique ways to sell everything at once to possibly one person. Or to crowd fund prior to releasing it so all worth isn't eliminated if it doesn't sell well.
I probably have 10-20k invested in the production of the songs.
I guess I could try a Kickstarter, but the last time I looked they weren't doing well.


14-Jun-22 10:15pm
#12
SublimeFan
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If you had such a deep MySpace following maybe find some way to reintroduce your name out there and build up hype. Are you getting any revenue from streams anywhere? Any social presence as an artist?
14-Jun-22 11:12pm
#13
KillerKlown
Triple Gold Good Trader

SublimeFan wrote:
If you had such a deep MySpace following maybe find some way to reintroduce your name out there and build up hype. Are you getting any revenue from streams anywhere? Any social presence as an artist?
Once I took my job I had all my music taken off the internet and haven't posted anything since. That was like 16-17 years ago.
I have no idea if anyone would remember me or not. Likely not.... I don't really do social media....
I mean I could start some accounts, but who's going to follow a middle aged dude?
Stuff like Instagram and TikTok only work if you're a hot chick. I feel like Twitter is only bots. It seems Youtube/Soundcloud are the best social media platforms for music...
My career is in the public sector. Meaning the topics of some of my songs would likely get me in trouble or fired.
Like even releasing something that said "damn" or "ass" might get me in trouble.
So I don't really like idea of just posting everything everywhere or I would have already done that a long time ago.
Someone I know would eventually find it and either blackmail me or send it to everyone.
I've heard once stuff is on streaming it's nearly impossible to have it removed.
I have some friends who have released multiple albums on streaming platforms and made literally nothing. This is over years.
If my music did well maybe I could quit my day job, but without videos and social media presence I'd say that's nearly impossible.
I'd have to hit like 100,000 views or more on all 100 of my songs to make back production costs. That's not realistic without some sort of celebrity endorsement.
For me to buy a CD of anyone the music would have to be literally mind blowing.... There would have to be some sort of gimmick attached.
Like that it's super limited, autographed, and I'd own a percentage of the rights. Like buying it was the only way to ever get to hear it. I could buy into that.... If the music was good. Like it'd have to really impress me.
To me the whole purpose of streaming platforms is simply to book concerts/shows.
It's like your resume. Shows are where the actual income is made.
Regardless if I got a million plays I'm not getting booked for a show at my age. I wouldn't want to.
I'm fairly good at marketing and doing stuff like that, but it's a grind. It would take years and a constant promotion of weekly/monthly content to grow the followers to sell units.
I think the numbers are something like 1% of listeners/followers actually make a purchase.
I need to think of creative one and done situation. Either where all the money is upfront so who cares what happens or someone
buys it all as a collector so it never even hits the internet. If I don't come up with a good idea maybe I'll like just go the Kickstarter route.
This way I could at least set my price.



15-Jun-22 1:50am
#14
Bleed_DukeBlue
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No offense, but I think it's probably unrealistic to expect a collector to buy your library of work before you've made a name for yourself (which would typically involve at least circulating a demo and booking shows). Even if you did sell everything to a collector, if you're concerned that releasing your music online would jeopardize your job, then wouldn't you be concerned that whoever bought it might release it online?

However, if your songwriting is strong, you could always pursue ghostwriting for established artists. I knew a guy who was pretty successful writing songs for country stars. He bought a house off of a song he wrote for Clint Black.
15-Jun-22 9:11am
#15
SublimeFan
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KillerKlown wrote:

My career is in the public sector. Meaning the topics of some of my songs would likely get me in trouble or fired. Like even releasing something that said "damn" or "ass" might get me in trouble.
That's all you need to say. Your benefits are worth far more than what your unreleased catalogue is probably worth.
15-Jun-22 11:17am
#16
John
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KillerKlown wrote:
I don't think I'm the best rapper. I'm not delusional, but at one point I had 50k fans on Myspace... To the point record companies reached out to me... Just not big ones. Back then, I only had a couple demos posted to my profile...
I misunderstood that originally -- I thought you had indicated that you hadn't released any of it at all. Now I see that you released it to 50k people but now, apparently, don't think that is a good idea.

I'm not looking to get popular or famous... My time has past....
That's what's weird here. You just want to get paid for music. People get paid for music that is popular. That's how the music industry works. There simply isn't an option for "I'd like to make money off of music without it being popular" in most cases. Especially for an unknown artist.

I know there are tons private collectors,
Of unreleased/unknown music?? I disagree. I don't think that there are tons of private collectors of unreleased music. I'm not sure where you are getting this idea from.

and I know NFT's are selling.... Not just of popular artists....
NFTs are mostly tanking with the rest of the crypto world right now. There are some exceptions but they are more popular artists. Or, at least, people who have developed a popular fanbase with their works and are now trying to sell them. Again, you're trying to do the latter without the former. You need popularity to sell things in most cases. Sure, you might find some rich dude that loves that work and wants you to make stuff just for him -- but that would be incredibly rare -- and only happen after you released a bunch of stuff that caught on in the first place. Again, you need popularity first. That is the only reason it works for Wu Tang, of course -- they were already popular and then offered an album for just one person to buy. Had they not been popular, that would have been a joke and utter failure.

I'm not really familiar with bitcoin or NFT's...
That does appear to be the case -- which I think is why you are not understanding why this plan isn't going to work.

But still people like to buy things that are rare.
People like to buy things that are rare when there is some reasoning behind it -- popularity of other things by the same person, nostaligia for previously popular things, the rare thing being associated with a popular thing, and so on. People don't tend to buy things that are rare and UNKNOWN. Big difference there.

I'm aware. That's why I asked why other artists haven't done it... It was successful out of the NFT/Bitcoin world. I would have thought many artists would have jumped on this bandwagon.
As for Wu-Tang... I think other artists didn't jump on this bandwagon because it backfired a bit. It was purchased by one of the biggest douchebags in the world at the time. Lots of people actually saw it as pretty lame that Wu-Tang made new music and only offered it to elite rich people -- and that it finally went to a guy that was fairly widely hated at the time. I don't think most artists wanted to jump on that bandwagon.

Draw interest? Maybe, but that's not going to amount to $$$/profit. I have zero interest in releasing anything unless there is a pay off.
You need interest for pay off. Period. You don't get to have it the other way around -- you don't get to want the money up front and then go "Ok, now you can listen." No one will buy that from someone that they have no other reason to do that for. Again, if you released a few songs and they got immensely popular on some platform, THEN someone might be willing to give you money for more. (Just like your MySpace days.) Again, chances are slim, but much more than releasing basically nothing, getting no popularity or interest, and expecting someone to pay you for it.

That's something I should have done nearly 20 years ago.... I have no interest in trying to create or restart a rap career. I'm too old for that to ever work.
I think this sums up the issue pretty much. That simply isn't how it works. Again, I don't mean to be mean here -- but I think the time has passed. You aren't willing to put in what it would take to even have a tiny chance at what you want. There are literally thousands of people just like you who ARE putting in the effort and hoping to make it. You'll have to wait in line behind all of them.

I just want to sell off my catalog. Either to a collector or someone who wants to re-create the songs.
Again, without popularity, this makes no sense. Why would anyone pay you for any of this when there are a thousand other artists with works out there to listen to and see if they like it first?

You sound a bit like you're thinking of the old days where you hand a demo tape to someone in the industry, they take it home and listen to it, and decide to "sign" you to their label. That just doesn't happen any more -- and it certainly doesn't happen to someone who isn't out there playing their local venues every week trying to get popular enough to even get someone to accept a demo from them to listen to!

I don't see how you expect anyone to buy your works based on you just stating that it "sounds super professional" and that you're "not a random SoundCoud rapper." Um, that's EXACTLY what you are except that you haven't even bothered to put it on SoundCloud! You're a "random MySpace rapper" -- which, I'm sorry, but is even worse. frown
15-Jun-22 12:51pm
#17
KillerKlown
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I don't see how you expect anyone to buy your works based on you just stating that it "sounds super professional" and that you're "not a random SoundCoud rapper." Um, that's EXACTLY what you are except that you haven't even bothered to put it on SoundCloud! You're a "random MySpace rapper" -- which, I'm sorry, but is even worse. frown
I think you're confused on what I'm wanting to do. I'm wanting to find a platform or auction broker willing to sell my entire catalog.
I thought there were places like this for NFT's so I presume maybe also somewhere for music/art... Like you drop a 15-30 second sample and offer so many units of the song.
Obviously samples/demos would need to be given to potential buyers. Nobody is just going to buy something they've never heard.
But I also won't post full songs to the general public or it completely removes all value. I'm not searching for fame. I'm search to re-coup some of the production costs.
I'm not a mixtape rapper who just steals beats and does random freestyles. These are professionally made songs.
Just aged in style so they wouldn't likely do well in modern times without remixed instrumentals. An up and coming artist could likely rework some of these into hits.
I understand selling everything to a collector is likely not possible, but I thought there
might be avenues for such an idea. Doing that seems more realistic to me than getting millions of streams.
Especially since some artists that I listen to only average a couple thousand spins per track.
I don't agree that popularity is necessarily required from a private music collector.
People commission artists all the time for art and they aren't necessarily famous...
If they like the music they might buy. 50k or whatever for the rights to 100 finished songs is chump change if someone likes it.
It could have more value to one person than a million combined... I almost think the collection could be presented like an art show/exhibit.
Just because something has been done a certain way for a really long time doesn't mean there aren't other options.
There should be a website where you can sell one of a kind items.... It's bizarre to me that it doesn't really exist.
I'm not saying somewhere that anybody can sell crap. Things would need screened for quality.
I'd argue rarity drives up value. But as a society we sell most things in volume which completely depletes it.
15-Jun-22 2:26pm
#18
John
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KillerKlown wrote:
I think you're confused on what I'm wanting to do. I'm wanting to find a platform or auction broker willing to sell my entire catalog.
Auction brokers don't sell things of such unknown value here. Again, why would an auction house take on some guy's rap recordings from MySpace -- and, even if they did, why would anyone bid on it? Same with any "platform" that would sell your stuff. You keep missing the "value requires popularity" part of this equation.

I thought there were places like this for NFT's so I presume maybe also somewhere for music/art... Like you drop a 15-30 second sample and offer so many units of the song.
There are TONS of NFTs out there created by "artists" that don't even sell for pennies. TONS of them. That aren't even worth the ETH gas fee even if they were giving them away for free. There really aren't "places for NFTs" from completely unknown artists with no following/popularity. Or, more accurately, they exist but don't sell for anything of value.

Now, sure, there might be someplace out there were you could "drop a sample" or demo song or something. But, again, the hope there would be that it gets popular as music and then goes from there. With very slim chance of that happening. There is almost no chance of some rich dude hearing your 15-30 second sample and going "Holy crap! This is amazing! I'm going to buy his entire catalog for $100k!"

Obviously samples/demos would need to be given to potential buyers. Nobody is just going to buy something they've never heard.
And nobody (with money) is going to bother to even listen to samples/demos that aren't already popular in most cases. Again, you sound like a guy in the 80s trying to hand a demo cassette to a record executive. It was near-impossible to do then -- and is unheard of today.

But I also won't post full songs to the general public or it completely removes all value.
Again, value in music comes from popularity. You thinking that it loses value by releasing it misses how the music industry works. People want to buy the rights and then sell things that are popular. It isn't at all like, say, writing a book where you send it to publishers and hope one picks you up. (And, today, even for book writers, there are so many that it usually means someone releasing them on their own and hoping for popularity FIRST and then someone picking it up to sell to the masses.)

I'm not a mixtape rapper who just steals beats and does random freestyles. These are professionally made songs.
I can find 1000 other artists who say the exact same thing.

I understand selling everything to a collector is likely not possible, but I thought there might be avenues for such an idea. Doing that seems more realistic to me than getting millions of streams.
Neither are at all likely. Again, breaking into the music industry is incredibly difficult. Trying to do it without gaining an audience first is pretty much impossible. (With the rare exception of an industry giant deciding to CREATE a new band themselves, of course -- which is how we got groups like various Boy Bands in the 90s.)

I don't agree that popularity is necessarily required from a private music collector.
Then we can agree to disagree. No private music collector is going to be sitting around listening to 30 second demo clips from unknowns seeing if they want to throw money at them to own their catalog. They would literally have to listen to thousands of clips per week that would be submitted to them from people like you hoping for a win.

People commission artists all the time for art and they aren't necessarily famous...
No, not really. People don't commission unknown artists that they haven't seen a bunch of their work. You can go check out r/delusionalartists on Reddit to see lots of people who THINK that is the case only to discover that they are very, very incorrect.

If they like the music they might buy. 50k or whatever for the rights to 100 finished songs is chump change if someone likes it.
Holy crap. No, it just doesn't work that way. $50k is not "chump change" to anyone willing to sit around listening to random crap music all day hoping to find that gem. No one does this.

It could have more value to one person than a million combined... I almost think the collection could be presented like an art show/exhibit.
To get an art/show exhibit, you need popularity or someone to "discover" some unknown artist (because they saw their work displayed somewhere). Again, none of these examples apply to what you are suggesting.

There should be a website where you can sell one of a kind items.... It's bizarre to me that it doesn't really exist.
Why not put your unknown music collection up on EBay and see who bids? (Because you know no one would because that isn't how life works.)

I'm not saying somewhere that anybody can sell crap. Things would need screened for quality.
When it comes to music, it IS "screened for quality" by likes and popularity on existing platforms.

I'd argue rarity drives up value. But as a society we sell most things in volume which completely depletes it.
Again, rarity of things that are wanted and desired drives up value. That is why it needs the popularity aspect -- like I said, a "rare" item needs to be related to something popular for it to have value. Rare items of the unknown do not have value most of the time. Music doesn't work like "most things we sell" in volume. Music tends to have MORE value the MORE it is shared and listened to by a wider audience. It doesn't get "depleted" in value by selling more and more of it.
15-Jun-22 3:30pm
#19
KillerKlown
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John I firmly disagree with many of the things you wrote. What is your background? I owned my own record label in college and released multiple albums by a Grammy award winning artist.
I only got to do this because I called him up and pitched the idea. Everything starts with an idea.
People told me at the time that wasn't possible either. Sometimes you gotta think outside the box.
If releasing music does not reduce value please explain the massive drop in music sales since Napster. It nose dived.
Artists that were going platinum dropped to broke overnight. Napster and the MP3 destroyed labels like No Limit. It bankrupted CD chains.
An album leaking early can destroy a release. Ask Nelly, ask Nas. Since music can easily be pirated for free it no longer has value to most.
People like it, but they won't pay for something that's free elsewhere.
Streaming has made it even worse. People were at least purchasing some MP3's on iTunes for a few years there.
Those sales have massively slumped since the likes of Spotify. Only mainstream artists make money on there.
Others are just using it as a resume or marketing tool to book shows.
When you mention a song retaining value after release you're speaking for the .0001% of songs.
Something considered a classic that can be used in movies and commercials. Songs that shape a generation and cause nostalgia "which sell products."
I looked into Ebay. It's now against the rules to sell digital items or copyrights/ownership.
The only thing I could sell are physical printed CD's.... Which would not bring in the same kind of money as 100% ownership.
The idea is selling something that only one person can have. Whatever price that person pays immediately puts value on it.
You might be surprised to know that numerous popular artists have sold original songs or verses to personal buyers and collectors.
People hire custom work for various fields all of the time... The idea that something "has to be" popular or mainstream to have value is ridiculous.
It just has to have value or worth to the buyer.

15-Jun-22 3:37pm
#20
sa330206
500 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader

I've always heard that artists make all their money from touring and selling merchandise (not from selling CDs/digital music). I admit I'm not a music expert by any means, but I thought traditionally someone would release music up to youtube, soundcloud, etc and if it catches fire then they can tour and sell merch to make money. Very little is made on the CD/music itself.

Sometimes the music just needs to be trendy/catchy and shared on Tik-Tok. Here is a great example..
https://www.youtube....

Doja Cat was around before but when she released this goofy video, it went viral and now she's a super star.
15-Jun-22 4:08pm
#21
mcorrado
Triple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally

I am by no means an expert and I'm also not trying to crap on your thread, but there's one thing I don't get.

Who is going to want to buy your catalog if you're not going to keep making music? If one or two of the songs are a huge success, what good is that from an unknown artist who is no longer making music?

Wouldn't these buyers rather buy a catalog from someone who wants to continue to make songs?

How could someone sell a one of a kind album or catalog of music?