4-Jan-23 5:55pm
#1

Heavyd814life

The 2023 GameTZ Fantasy Gaming League

1. HybridCRoW Current Total: 714

Top 10:
1. A Space for the Unbound - 85
2. Atomic Heart - 72
3. Dead Space - 89
4. Fire Emblem Engage - 81
5. Forspoken - 66
6. Hogwarts Legacy - 84
7. Like a Dragon: Ishin! - 82
8. Sherlock Holmes: The Awakened - 76
9. Story of Seasons: A Wonderful Life
10. Wild Hearts - 79

Alternates:
1. One Piece Odyssey - 74
2. SpongeBob SquarePants: The Cosmic Shake - 70

2. Archer Current Total: 568

Top 10:
1. Atomic Heart - 72
2. Dead Island 2 - 75
3. Dead Space - 89
4. Diablo IV
5. Fire Emblem Engage - 81
6. Hogwarts Legacy - 84
7. Star Wars Jedi: Survivor - 86
8. Starfield
9. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom
10. Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty - 81

Alternates:
1. Final Fantasy XVI
2. Oxenfree II: Lost Signals

3. Roko Current Total: 499

Top 10:
1. Atelier Ryza 3: Alchemist of the End & the Secret Key - 82
2. Fire Emblem Engage - 81
3. Hogwarts Legacy - 84
4. Like a Dragon: Ishin! - 82
5. Octopath Traveler II - 84
6. Rise of the Ronin
7. Star Wars Jedi: Survivor - 86
8. Starfield
9. Tekken 8
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Pikmin 4
2. Street Fighter 6

4. SilverOwl Current Total: 490

Top 10:
1. Atomic Heart - 72
2. Dead Space - 89
3. Diablo IV
4. Final Fantasy XVI
5. Forspoken - 66
6. Hogwarts Legacy - 84
7. Resident Evil 4 - 93
8. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. 2: Heart of Chornobyl
9. Star Wars Jedi: Survivor - 86
10. Starfield

Alternates:
1. Dead Island 2 - 75
2. Street Fighter 6

5. Best1989 Current Total: 436

Top 10:
1. Baldur's Gate 3
2. Dead Space - 89
3. Diablo IV
4. Final Fantasy XVI
5. Hogwarts Legacy - 84
6. Octopath Traveler II - 84
7. Pikmin 4
8. Resident Evil 4 - 93
9. Star Wars Jedi: Survivor - 86
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Assassin's Creed Mirage
2. Like a Dragon: Ishin! - 82

6. Ryan Current Total: 431

Top 10:
1. Dead Space - 89
2. Forza Motorsport
3. Horizon Call of the Mountain - 79
4. Marvel's Spider-Man 2
5. Octopath Traveler II - 84
6. Redfall
7. Resident Evil 4 - 93
8. Star Wars Jedi: Survivor - 86
9. Starfield
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Street Fighter 6
2. Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty - 81

7. Heavyd814life Current Total: 430

Top 10:
1. Baldur's Gate 3
2. Dead Space - 89
3. Final Fantasy XVI
4. Fire Emblem Engage - 81
5. Forza Motorsport
6. Octopath Traveler II - 84
7. Resident Evil 4 - 93
8. Street Fighter 6
9. The Legend of Heroes: Trails to Azure - 83
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Star Wars Jedi: Survivor - 86
2. Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty - 81

8. PizzaTheHutt Current Total: 429

Top 10:
1. Dead Space - 89
2. Diablo IV
3. Hogwarts Legacy - 84
4. Horizon Call of the Mountain - 79
5. Kerbal Space Program 2
6. Marvel's Spider-Man 2
7. Octopath Traveler II - 84
8. Resident Evil 4 - 93
9. Street Fighter 6
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Alan Wake II
2. Skull and Bones

9. TalonJedi87 Current Total: 422

Top 10:
1. Atomic Heart - 72
2. Dead Space - 89
3. Diablo IV
4. Final Fantasy XVI
5. Like a Dragon: Ishin! - 82
6. Marvel's Spider-Man 2
7. Resident Evil 4 - 93
8. Star Wars Jedi: Survivor - 86
9. Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Armored Core VI: Fires of Rubicon
2. Starfield

10. Bleed_DukeBlue Current Total: 419

Top 10:
1. Atelier Ryza 3: Alchemist of the End & the Secret Key - 82
2. Baldur's Gate 3
3. Diablo IV
4. Final Fantasy XVI
5. Fire Emblem Engage - 81
6. Horizon Call of the Mountain - 79
7. Marvel's Spider-Man 2
8. Octopath Traveler II - 84
9. Resident Evil 4 - 93
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Hogwarts Legacy - 84
2. Like a Dragon: Ishin! - 82

11. Sailorneorune Current Total: 405

Top 10:
1. Atelier Ryza 3: Alchemist of the End & the Secret Key - 82
2. Bayonetta Origins: Cereza and the Lost Demon - 80
3. Final Fantasy XVI
4. Fire Emblem Engage - 81
5. Kirby's Return to Dream Land Deluxe - 80
6. Like a Dragon: Ishin! - 82
7. Master Detective Archives: Rain Code
8. Street Fighter 6
9. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom
10. The Plucky Squire

Alternates:
1. Sea of Stars
2. WrestleQuest

12. Lunar Current Total: 398

Top 10:
1. Baldur's Gate 3
2. Fatal Frame: Mask of the Lunar Eclipse - 69
3. Final Fantasy XVI
4. Fire Emblem Engage - 81
5. Marvel's Spider-Man 2
6. Octopath Traveler II - 84
7. The Legend of Heroes: Trails to Azure - 83
8. The Legend of Heroes: Trails Into Reverie
9. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom
10. Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty - 81

Alternates:
1. Dead Island 2 - 75
2. Wild Hearts - 79

13. SwiftJAB Current Total: 392

Top 10:
1. Advance Wars 1+2: Re-Boot Camp - 82
2. Fire Emblem Engage - 81
3. Forspoken - 66
4. Hollow Knight: Silksong
5. Horizon Call of the Mountain - 79
6. Kerbal Space Program 2
7. Marvel's Spider-Man 2
8. Octopath Traveler II - 84
9. Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
2. Dead Space - 89

14. Frank Current Total: 344

Top 10:
1. Diablo IV
2. Fire Emblem Engage - 81
3. Forza Motorsport
4. Marvel's Spider-Man 2
5. Octopath Traveler II - 84
6. Resident Evil 4 - 93
7. Star Wars Jedi: Survivor - 86
8. Starfield
9. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom
10. Unannounced Mario Movie Tie-In

Alternates:
1. Atelier Ryza 3: Alchemist of the End & the Secret Key - 82
2. Theatrhythm Final Bar - 88

15. Tonymack21 Current Total: 333

Top 10:
1. Dead Space - 89
2. Fire Emblem Engage - 81
3. Hollow Knight: Silksong
4. Like a Dragon: Ishin! - 82
5. Like A Dragon Gaiden: The Man Who Erased His Name
6. Marvel's Spider-Man 2
7. Pikmin 4
8. Starfield
9. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom
10. Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty - 81

Alternates:
1. Advance Wars 1+2: Re-Boot Camp - 82
2. Baldur's Gate 3

16. Bogo Current Total: 328

Top 10:
1. Assassin's Creed Mirage
2. Diablo IV
3. Fire Emblem Engage - 81
4. Hogwarts Legacy - 84
5. Hollow Knight: Silksong
6. Horizon Call of the Mountain - 79
7. Metroid Prime 4
8. Octopath Traveler II - 84
9. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom
10. The Wolf Among Us 2

Alternates:
1. Marvel's Spider-Man 2
2. Starfield

17. BloodPuppetX Current Total: 322

Top 10:
1. Alan Wake II
2. Atelier Ryza 3: Alchemist of the End & the Secret Key - 82
3. Dead Island 2 - 75
4. Diablo IV
5. Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes
6. Final Fantasy XVI
7. Fire Emblem Engage - 81
8. Octopath Traveler II - 84
9. Street Fighter 6
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom
Alternates:
1. ONI: Road to the Mightiest Oni
2. Process of Elimination - 65

18. Boss Current Total: 266

Top 10:
1. Dead Space - 89
2. Diablo IV
3. Final Fantasy XVI
4. Lies of P
5. Octopath Traveler II - 84
6. Resident Evil 4 - 93
7. Sea of Stars
8. Starfield
9. Street Fighter 6
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Hollow Knight: Silksong
2. Hogwarts Legacy - 84

19. EB Current Total: 263

Top 10:
1. Dead Space - 89
2. Diablo IV
3. Fire Emblem Engage - 81
4. Forza Motorsport
5. Hollow Knight: Silksong
6. Marvel's Spider-Man 2
7. Resident Evil 4 - 93
8. Senua's Saga: Hellblade II
9. Starfield
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Atomic Heart - 72
2. Star Wars Jedi: Survivor - 86

20. Mattyg00013 Current Total: 263

Top 10:
1. Alan Wake II
2. Dead Space - 89
3. Diablo IV
4. Final Fantasy XVI
5. Fire Emblem Engage - 81
6. Forza Motorsport
7. Marvel's Spider-Man 2
8. Resident Evil 4 - 93
9. Starfield
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Horizon Call of the Mountain - 79
2. Pikmin 4

21. Incubus421 Current Total: 258

Top 10:
1. Diablo IV
2. Final Fantasy XVI
3. Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
4. Fire Emblem Engage - 81
5. Hollow Knight: Silksong
6. Kerbal Space Program 2
7. Octopath Traveler II - 84
8. Pikmin 4
9. Resident Evil 4 - 93
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Marvel's Spider-Man 2
2. Starfield

22. Scott Current Total: 258

Top 10:
1. Diablo IV
2. Final Fantasy XVI
3. Fire Emblem Engage - 81
4. Forza Motorsport
5. Hogwarts Legacy - 84
6. Hollow Knight: Silksong
7. Marvel's Spider-Man 2
8. Pikmin 4
9. Resident Evil 4 - 93
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Sea of Stars
2. Star Wars Jedi: Survivor - 86

23. Bonham2 Current Total: 254

Top 10:
1. Dead Space - 89
2. Diablo IV
3. Final Fantasy XVI
4. Fire Emblem Engage - 81
5. Hollow Knight: Silksong
6. Marvel's Spider-Man 2
7. Octopath Traveler II - 84
8. Pikmin 4
9. Starfield
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Star Wars Jedi: Survivor - 86
2. Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League

24. Jbjz Current Total: 247

Top 10:
1. Alan Wake II
2. Assassin's Creed Mirage
3. Diablo IV
4. Final Fantasy XVI
5. Hogwarts Legacy - 84
6. Hollow Knight: Silksong
7. Marvel's Spider-Man 2
8. Resident Evil 4 - 93
9. SpongeBob SquarePants: The Cosmic Shake - 70
10. Street Fighter 6

Alternates:
1. Palworld
2. Paper Ghost Stories: Third Eye Open

25. Cevil Current Total: 235

Top 10:
1. Clive 'N' Wrench - 61
2. Diablo IV
3. Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
4. Final Fantasy XVI
5. Fire Emblem Engage - 81
6. Mina the Hollower
7. Resident Evil 4 - 93
8. Sea of Stars
9. Starfield
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Forspoken - 66
2. Octopath Traveler II - 84

26. Demonalcohol Current Total: 182

Top 10:
1. Baldur's Gate 3
2. Dead Space - 89
3. Death Stranding 2
4. Diablo IV
5. Final Fantasy VII Rebirth
6. Hades II
7. Hollow Knight: Silksong
8. Resident Evil 4 - 93
9. Starfield
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Marvel's Spider-Man 2
2. Pikmin 4

27. 3hitcombo Current Total: 173

Top 10:
1. Diablo IV
2. Hades II
3. Hollow Knight: Silksong
4. Kirby's Return to Dream Land Deluxe - 80
5. Pikmin 4
6. Redfall
7. Resident Evil 4 - 93
8. Starfield
9. Street Fighter 6
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Fitness Boxing Fist of the North Star
2. Octopath Traveler II - 84

28. SupremeSarna Current Total: 170

Top 10:
1. Diablo IV
2. Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes
3. Final Fantasy XVI
4. Hogwarts Legacy - 84
5. Hollow Knight: Silksong
6. Pikmin 4
7. Star Wars Jedi: Survivor - 86
8. Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League
9. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom
10. The Lord of the Rings: Gollum

Alternates:
1. Fire Emblem Engage - 81
2. Street Fighter 6

29. Thatfootballguy Current Total: 170

Top 10:
1. Baldur's Gate 3
2. Diablo IV
3. Glitched
4. Hollow Knight: Silksong
5. Marvel's Spider-Man 2
6. Octopath Traveler II - 84
7. Sea of Stars
8. Star Wars Jedi: Survivor - 86
9. Starfield
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Final Fantasy XVI
2. Like a Dragon: Ishin! - 82

30. Shane12m Current Total: 168

Top 10:
1. Baldur's Gate 3
2. Final Fantasy XVI
3. Hogwarts Legacy - 84
4. Hollow Knight: Silksong
5. Marvel's Spider-Man 2
6. Octopath Traveler II - 84
7. Sea of Stars
8. Starfield
9. Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Resident Evil 4 - 93
2. Street Fighter 6

31. Sefjwm Current Total: 165

Top 10:
1. Animal Well
2. Baldur's Gate 3
3. Diablo IV
4. Forza Motorsport
5. Horizon Call of the Mountain - 79
6. Marvel's Spider-Man 2
7. Sea of Stars
8. Star Wars Jedi: Survivor - 86
9. Starfield
10. The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

Alternates:
1. Hogwarts Legacy - 84
2. Octopath Traveler II - 84

32. benstylus Current Total: 0

Top 10:
1. 2D Metroid Remake
2. Legacy of Kain/Soul Reaver Remake
3. New Civilization Game
4. New Hyrule Warriors Game
5. New Lego Game Based on a Comic Book/Graphic Novel IP
6. New Rayman game
7. New Shantae game
8. New Tetris game
9. New Thunder Lotus Game (Creators of Spiritfarer)
10. New Wario game

Alternates:
1. New ARMS Game
2. New EA Sports Racing Game (Not F1 or WRC)

33. Metsfan718 Current Total: 0

Top 10:
1. Call of Duty: Warzone Mobile
2. Crash Team Rumble
3. Disney Illusion Island
4. MrWang And Love
5. Peppa Pig: World Adventures
6. Romancelvania
7. Star Trek: Resurgence
8. T-Rex Dinosaur Game
9. The Last Case of Benedict Fox
10. The Plucky Squire

Alternates:
1. Daydream: Forgotten Sorrow
2. Hollow Knight: Silksong

Upcoming Releases:

April:
Star Wars Jedi: Survivor - April 28

May:
Redfall - May 2
The Legend of Zelda: Tears of a Kingdom - May 12
Star Trek: Resurgence - May 23

June:
Street Fighter 6 - June 2
Diablo IV - June 6
Final Fantasy XVI - June 22
Story of Seasons: A Wonderful Life - June 27

July:
The Legend of Heroes: Trails Into Reverie - July 7
Oxenfree II: Lost Signals - July 12
Pikmin 4 - July 21

August:
Armored Core VI - August 25
Sea of Stars - August 29
Baldur’s Gate 3 - August 31

September:
Starfield - September 6

League Overview:

Welcome to Year 6 of the GameTZ Fantasy Gaming League! This is basically fantasy football with games. Each person picks 10 games and those 10 games make up your "team" for the year. The Metacritic scores for your 10 games are tallied up at the end of the year to determine your total. Highest overall score wins. You also get 2 alternate picks (these should be safe choices) just in case one of your picks gets delayed into 2024. So if you shoot for the moon with a game like Armored Core VI and it gets pushed into 2024, one of your alternates takes its place and you don't end up with 0 points for that game. The goal is to pick games that you think have a very good chance of releasing in 2023. Don't YOLO your way into a bunch of 0s lol.

The Rules:
1. No DLC or Expansions
2. No Ports or Remasters (full remakes are allowed)
3. Alternate picks can only replace games delayed into 2024. They cannot be used to replace games in your top 10 that review poorly.

The Prizes:
1st Place: A $50 Amazon Gift Card
2nd Place: A $20 Amazon Gift Card
3rd Place: A $10 Amazon Gift Card

The Participants:
1. Heavyd814life
2. DemonAlcohol
3. PizzaTheHutt
4. EB
5. TalonJedi87
6. benstylus
7. Sailorneorune
8. Bleed_DukeBlue
9. HybridCRoW
10. Incubus421
11. SwiftJAB
12. Roko
13. Thatfootballguy
14. SilverOwl
15. Shane12m
16. Frank
17. SupremeSarna
18. Cevil
19. BloodPuppetX
20. Sefjwm
21. Ryan
22. Bogo
23. Boss
24. Archer
25. Scott
26. Lunar
27. Tonymack21
28. Mattyg00013
29. Bonham2
30. Metsfan718
31. Best1989
32. 3hitcombo
33. Jbjz

Previous Winners:
2022: Heavyd814life
2021: Ryan
2020: Mattyg00013 and Roko
2019: Heavyd814life
2018: Heavyd814life

Submit Your Picks Here: https://tally.so/r/m...
Deadline: January 18, 2023 at 11:59pm

4-Jan-23 5:55pm
#2

Heavyd814life

@Roko @Cevil @Sefjwm @BloodpuppetX @Kommie @Archer @PizzaTheHutt @SupremeSarna @SilverOwl @Frank @Benstylus @Sailorneorune @SwiftJAB @HybridCRoW @Lunar @TalonJedi87 @Ryan @Boss @Thatfootballguy @EB @Scott @Bogo @Bleed_DukeBlue @Mattyg00013 @Bonham2 @Incubus421 @Tonymack21 @Gypsy @Best1989 @Apocram2222 @Codester

4-Jan-23 6:34pm
#3

sefjwm

With all the big games pushed to this year it's going to be hard for indies and rando sports titles to make the list hmmm...

4-Jan-23 6:46pm
#4

DemonAlcohol

Some big games coming out next year.

4-Jan-23 7:11pm
#5

SwiftJAB

Going to share this link here to help anyone wondering what is coming out this year: https://en.m.wikiped...

Credit to @benstylus for his post in the 2022 thread

4-Jan-23 7:34pm
#6

PizzaTheHutt

Got my list submitted

4-Jan-23 8:49pm
#7

EB

Submitted mine as well.

4-Jan-23 9:03pm
#8

TalonJedi87

Thanks Heavy!!! Submitted!

4-Jan-23 10:06pm
#9

benstylus

Submitted. I think they are specific enough but if you feel like I need to clarify or replace any of them, let me know.

Also, my picks all relate to console/pc, I am specifically excluding any mobile only releases

4-Jan-23 10:37pm
#10

sailorneorune

Submitted. Playing it safe-ish, but hoping for some smaller titles to do well.

4-Jan-23 11:35pm
#11

HybridCRoW

I submitted.

5-Jan-23 9:06am
#12

incubus421

New top 10 list submitted. Thanks for hosting again @Heavyd814life and congrats on the win in 2022! Looks like we would have tied had I played my alternate pick of Tunic in place of the disappointment that was the Saints Row reboot. I'm going to get you this year!....maybe

5-Jan-23 9:21am
#13

benstylus

I'm not going to win but if even half my list happens it's going to be a great year

5-Jan-23 9:55am
#14

bogo

going to try and get my list submitted before i leave the office today!

5-Jan-23 1:18pm
#15

HybridCRoW

BTW, should the 3rd rule be for 2024??? Or maybe I'm confused on it??

5-Jan-23 1:37pm
#16

SwiftJAB

I'm in it to win it!

5-Jan-23 1:43pm
#17

Heavyd814life

HybridCRoW wrote:
BTW, should the 3rd rule be for 2024??? Or maybe I'm confused on it??
Fixed!

5-Jan-23 2:40pm
#18

Bleed_DukeBlue

My goal is to do better than last time (in which I was second to last), so I feel like that’s achievable lol.

SwiftJAB wrote:
I'm in it to win it!

5-Jan-23 4:20pm
#19

thatfootballguy

After some research, it's going to be another amazing year!

5-Jan-23 4:42pm
#20

SilverOwl

i also submitted my answers

5-Jan-23 4:48pm
#21

Shane12m

Idk how I’ve missed this each year, this seems like a ton of fun. Count me in!
I’ve submitted my picks

5-Jan-23 7:38pm
#22

Frank

Submitted my picks

6-Jan-23 12:41am
#23

bogo

Work for slammed and I'm still deciding my last couple. There are so many huge games coming out because of the delays

6-Jan-23 12:52am
#24

SupremeSarna

Submitted my picks. I didn't recognize most of the games people are buzzing about, and one of my picks may have its user score seriously impacted by external forces. We'll just have to see how this year shapes up.

6-Jan-23 1:14am
#25

Heavyd814life

bogo wrote:
Work for slammed and I'm still deciding my last couple. There are so many huge games coming out because of the delays
No rush! Plenty of time to submit your picks.

6-Jan-23 10:32am
#26

bogo

yep, i just have my running list on my work computer so i wont be able to get another chance to submit until tuesday when im back in. i'm just trying to find a better mix of games that are actually likely to come out and trying to pick some things that others might not

7-Jan-23 6:49pm
#27

Boss

Need to free some time to pick.

9-Jan-23 2:15am
#28

sefjwm

Working on my picks and I have like 5-6 games that start with 'S', I wonder if I can get a full 12 all that way. It's not looking likely so far though I want a chance to win

EDIT - Submitted my picks. Wasn't able to do the every game begins with S thing. Even had to pull a couple because it really looked like they won't even make it in 2023 :( I have a feeling a lot of us are going to have the same games but I still tried to sneak in a couple more obscure things

10-Jan-23 11:29am
#29

Ryan

submitted!

10-Jan-23 12:16pm
#30

Lunar

Will work on it this week.

Thanks for doing this again Heavy

10-Jan-23 1:01pm
#31

bogo

alright...i'm submitted...and i left out 2 games that i absolutely thought i would have on my list. there are so many potential superstar games coming out this year.

Also, if there's a nintendo direct in the next week, i may alter my list lol

10-Jan-23 3:25pm
#32

PizzaTheHutt

bogo wrote:
Also, if there's a nintendo direct in the next week, i may alter my list lol

For the past few years we get a Nintendo Direct within 2-3 weeks of the deadline for submitting our lists with a whole bunch of announcements that are too late to add.

10-Jan-23 3:35pm
#33

Frank

bogo wrote:
alright...i'm submitted...and i left out 2 games that i absolutely thought i would have on my list. there are so many potential superstar games coming out this year. Also, if there's a nintendo direct in the next week, i may alter my list lol
I might make a small change if something gets announced, but I sorta like the idea of only guessing based off information we have before any big announcements for the year arrive

10-Jan-23 3:38pm
#34

benstylus

My entire list this time around is games that haven't even been announced. No need to wait for a Nintendo direct when you can just guess and wish.

10-Jan-23 3:43pm
#35

sefjwm

Hollow Knight 3: Silksong the Return is going to be fire yo

11-Jan-23 9:16am
#36

bogo

sefjwm wrote:
Hollow Knight 3: Silksong the Return is going to be fire yoBuilding your 2030 list already? Lol

11-Jan-23 11:02am
#37

Frank

sefjwm wrote:
Hollow Knight 3: Silksong the Return is going to be fire yo
I made that mistake twice. Not again

11-Jan-23 3:37pm
#38

sefjwm

Silksong was one of the "S" games I was trying to make work but with almost nothing shown so far I wasn't going to risk it. I was actually surprised at how many of my initial short list of games was still likely a couple of years away. Even games in early access and some Kickstarter games were saying 18+ months to go xD

11-Jan-23 8:47pm
#39

Kommie

At that recent Xbox live steam Silksong was shown and it claimed all the games shown would be released "within 6 months" or something..... No news about Silksong since.

12-Jan-23 11:56am
#40

Heavyd814life

Hey guys, signups are open for 6 more days. Going to tag the peeps who participated last year but haven't submitted lists yet.

@kommie @archer @lunar @boss @scott @mattyg00013 @bonham2 @tonymack21 @gypsy @best1989 @apocram2222 @codester

12-Jan-23 12:47pm
#41

Boss

Heavyd814life wrote:
Hey guys, signups are open for 6 more days. Going to tag the peeps who participated last year but haven't submitted lists yet. @kommie @archer @lunar @boss @scott @mattyg00013 @bonham2 @tonymack21 @gypsy @best1989 @apocram2222 @codester
I'll send a list now but may want to adjust if Nintendo Direct happens.

12-Jan-23 1:15pm
#42

bogo

just went back to look at Nintendo's first direct of 2023: they announced Mario Strikers, Switch Sports, and Xenoblade 3...all which came out last year. thinking there's going to be at least one brand new game that's announced that ends up coming out this year. sadly, that first direct was in February...

12-Jan-23 1:31pm
#43

Kommie

Heavyd814life wrote:
Hey guys, signups are open for 6 more days. Going to tag the peeps who participated last year but haven't submitted lists yet.
I'm out this year

12-Jan-23 1:42pm
#44

Heavyd814life

Kommie wrote:
Heavyd814life wrote:> Hey guys, signups are open for 6 more days. Going to tag the peeps who participated> last year but haven't submitted lists yet. > |> I'm out this year
Bummer. But hopefully you join up again next year.

12-Jan-23 1:44pm
#45

Heavyd814life

bogo wrote:
just went back to look at Nintendo's first direct of 2023: they announced Mario Strikers, Switch Sports, and Xenoblade 3...all which came out last year. thinking there's going to be at least one brand new game that's announced that ends up coming out this year. sadly, that first direct was in February...
Yeah, I'm thinking we get a Direct after Fire Emblem drops not before.

12-Jan-23 1:54pm
#46

bogo

i was hoping that they were going to do a direct earlier on to get the hype up for FE...i can still hope lol

12-Jan-23 2:14pm
#47

Archer

Submitted my picks. Not confident about them at all.

12-Jan-23 4:01pm
#48

Shane12m

I keep seeing mentions of changing your picks. If we want to do that how do we go about it? Not saying I am for sure, but if there is a direct, then maybe lol

12-Jan-23 4:12pm
#49

Heavyd814life

Shane12m wrote:
I keep seeing mentions of changing your picks. If we want to do that how do we go about it? Not saying I am for sure, but if there is a direct, then maybe lol
Yeah, anyone can change picks between now and the deadline. Just shoot me a PM and I can make edits.

12-Jan-23 4:17pm
#50

Shane12m

Heavyd814life wrote:
Shane12m wrote:> I keep seeing mentions of changing your picks. If we want to do that how do we go> about it? Not saying I am for sure, but if there is a direct, then maybe lol Yeah, anyone can change picks between now and the deadline. Just shoot me a PM and I can make edits.
Awesome, thanks : )

12-Jan-23 4:30pm
#51

Scott

Submitted mine

12-Jan-23 4:51pm
#52

PizzaTheHutt

Are there rumors of an incoming Nintendo Direct this month? I wouldn't worry about it too much, the bigger ones are pretty much always in February for as long as I can remember, so the deadline will have passed.

12-Jan-23 4:54pm
#53

Scott

While I do like how Nintendo does a fair amount of announcing games and releasing them in the same year, it does kind of suck for this thread.

12-Jan-23 6:17pm
#54

sefjwm

Kommie wrote:
At that recent Xbox live steam Silksong was shown and it claimed all the games shown would be released "within 6 months" or something..... No news about Silksong since.
They also showed Slime Rancher and a think a couple others that "released" in early access. Slime Rancher says maybe 18 months or more in early access >.>

12-Jan-23 6:26pm
#55

SwiftJAB

Early access launches are for companies who are too cheap to pay for good testers and focus groups. In terms of fantasy picks, you certainly get a better idea of what the game is going to be like when it launches, but you never know when that will be.

12-Jan-23 6:29pm
#56

Cevil

@kommie

Would you rather submit a 2023 fantasy list or play through the latest Pokemon game? :)

12-Jan-23 6:30pm
#57

Kommie

Cevil wrote:
@kommie Would you rather submit a 2023 fantasy list or play through the latest Pokemon game? :)

List

12-Jan-23 8:30pm
#58

tonymack21

I'll do my list up over the next day or so.

gonna guess Trails to Azure and Trails into Reverie are not eligible? they're just localizations and its already known how the games are?

12-Jan-23 8:31pm
#59

Kommie

tonymack21 wrote:
I'll do my list up over the next day or so. gonna guess Trails to Azure and Trails into Reverie are not eligible? they're just localizations and its already known how the games are?
They won't score that high, in all honesty.

12-Jan-23 8:31pm
#60

tonymack21

probably not, they're amazing but not that mass market high review appeal

12-Jan-23 9:13pm
#61

Heavyd814life

@tonymack21 Yeah, they both count. We had that a couple of years ago with Ys 9 and a couple of years before that with Yakuza 6. They’d both been released in Japan. I think as long as they’ve never been released in the West, they are fair game.

13-Jan-23 12:52am
#62

tonymack21

list is in

13-Jan-23 10:14am
#63

Frank

Heavyd814life wrote:
bogo wrote:> just went back to look at Nintendo's first direct of 2023: they announced Mario Strikers,> Switch Sports, and Xenoblade 3...all which came out last year. thinking there's going> to be at least one brand new game that's announced that ends up coming out this year.> sadly, that first direct was in February... Yeah, I'm thinking we get a Direct after Fire Emblem drops not before.
I could see them slipping one in right before launch. Obviously, they wouldn't spend a lot of time on FE, but they have done similarly timed Directs in the past.

13-Jan-23 6:23pm
#64

mattyg00013

I have submitted my picks, a lot of great options this year so the picks should be interesting. Thanks for keeping this going, and congrats on the 2022 win.

16-Jan-23 10:21pm
#65

sefjwm

Beyond Good and Evil 2 is officially still in development if anyone wanted to add that one last second.

17-Jan-23 1:03pm
#66

Heavyd814life

sefjwm wrote:
Beyond Good and Evil 2 is officially still in development if anyone wanted to add that one last second.
It?s pretty much vaporware at this point. So sad.

17-Jan-23 1:04pm
#67

Heavyd814life

Tomorrow is the last day to submit your entry for 2023. I?ll close signups sometime tomorrow evening and update the OP with all our picks.

I was hoping to have this wrapped up before the reviews for Fire Emblem Engage dropped, but looks like they came in this morning. Didn?t review as well as Three Houses did, but it?s at 82 from 63 reviews which is still very solid!

https://www.metacrit...

18-Jan-23 9:20am
#68

Shane12m

Heavyd814life wrote:
Tomorrow is the last day to submit your entry for 2023. I?ll close signups sometime tomorrow evening and update the OP with all our picks. I was hoping to have this wrapped up before the reviews for Fire Emblem Engage dropped, but looks like they came in this morning. Didn?t review as well as Three Houses did, but it?s at 82 from 63 reviews which is still very solid! https://www.metacrit...
I don?t remember all my picks but want to make a couple changes. I?ll PM you before the deadline

18-Jan-23 10:02am
#69

3hitcombo

Joined for the first time
“A new challenger approaches”

18-Jan-23 10:03am
#70

3hitcombo

Oh crap I just read about Fire Emblem Engage after I entered. I can replace with something else however that’s possible

18-Jan-23 10:06am
#71

Shane12m

3hitcombo wrote:
Oh crap I just read about Fire Emblem Engage after I entered. I can replace with something else however that’s possible
I’ll allow it (says the one not in charge) lol

18-Jan-23 10:22am
#72

Heavyd814life

Shane12m wrote:
3hitcombo wrote:> Oh crap I just read about Fire Emblem Engage after I entered. I can replace with> something else however that’s possible > > I’ll allow it (says the one not in charge) lol
Lol I'll send you guys PMs with your lists so you can make changes.

18-Jan-23 10:28am
#73

Heavyd814life

Final call, guys. Today is the last day to submit picks if you'd like to participate this year.

@gypsy @apocram2222 @codester

18-Jan-23 5:09pm
#74

jbjz

Think im in, one or 2 of the games I listed might count as remasters. though :(

18-Jan-23 7:16pm
#75

sefjwm

A Space for the Unbound getting really good reviews. Who had that one?

18-Jan-23 7:38pm
#76

Heavyd814life

sefjwm wrote:
A Space for the Unbound getting really good reviews. Who had that one?
Yeah, really great early reviews. Only @HybridCRoW had it on his list. I'd never even heard of it.

18-Jan-23 10:23pm
#77

HybridCRoW

I picked my titles off that wiki link you posted... I did also dbl chk to make sure they were within the rules of the League... at least hopefully... and since I haven't heard anything sounds like I'm good.

19-Jan-23 2:14am
#78

Heavyd814life

And we're live! OP has been updated with all our picks! Thanks for joining, everyone. We've got 33 this year (one more than last year) and I think it's going to be a really close race. Please look over the OP when you have a minute to make sure I have all your picks listed correctly.

And like last year, I've added release dates to the OP. If I've missed any please let me know and I can update the list.

@HybridCRoW is our early leader with 2 games on the board. Great start! 18 of us are on the board with Fire Emblem Engage. Next up is Forspoken. I honestly have no idea how it'll review. Probably in the mid 70s, if I had to guess. I hated the demo at first, but I played through it again last night and the combat definitely grew on me. The world is completely barren, though and the dialogue is unbearable so it'll be interesting to see how it does.

19-Jan-23 4:26am
#79

sefjwm

Wow, I was mostly joking but nice that someone actually had A Space for the Unbound. It's definitely on my buy list.

Some initial things I saw. Eiyuden Chronicles! super excited for that game and happy someone picked it. Silksong, will be shocked this makes it. If it does it will likely score super high though. Unannounced Mario movie tie-in, lols. Shout out to fellow Sea of Stars fans. Ben definitely has... a list of something and nice Metsfan {insert bold strategy cotton meme here}. Overall seeing a lot more smaller and "off meta" picks. Will be an interesting year.

19-Jan-23 6:05am
#80

benstylus

sefjwm wrote:
Ben definitely has... a list of something
Hey someone has to be last place!

That our we will have one of the greatest gaming years in at least a decade.

19-Jan-23 8:36am
#81

HybridCRoW

Awesome lists! Even curious I'm already in the lead, and early as well. It will be interesting to see how everyone does this time! I even see titles on lists I didn't notice doing my research.

19-Jan-23 9:27am
#82

3hitcombo

I’m dying right now because the game I love and am definitely buying. I forgot about when making the list! Sorry Like a dragon! 😭🤣🤣

19-Jan-23 9:30am
#83

3hitcombo

Btw I really love ballsy picks like Forza Motorsport, or basically anything on bens list. “New ARMS game”? The original I think was only a 70 🤣

19-Jan-23 9:32am
#84

Scott

I really wanted to put "New 3D Mario game" on my list because I think there's a solid chance we get one this holiday, and they usually review very well. But, I decided to play it safer this year. I hope that one doesn't come back to bite me.

19-Jan-23 10:23am
#85

HybridCRoW

Anyone else see the whole "Cancel Culture" going on about Hogwart's Legacy?? You don't think this is going to affect the ratings is it? Why can't people just leave things alone??

19-Jan-23 10:30am
#86

Scott

Crap, I didn't think about that. That very well could affect its ratings.

19-Jan-23 10:40am
#87

Heavyd814life

It’s the only reason I didn’t put it on my list. It looks amazing, but I worry it won’t get a fair shake. It’ll get review bombed by users for sure, but I hope reviewers are professional enough to review the actual game and not J.K. Rowling.

19-Jan-23 10:45am
#88

HybridCRoW

Yeah that's why I don't take a lot of reviews seriously... I don't know if it's legit, unbiased opinion based off the content itself or if it's someone attempting to sabotage a good thing because of something they didn't like personally.

I'm not against people having thoughts and opinions of their own, but geez-louis, let everyone else have their own thoughts and opinions but not coerced through propaganda shoved down their throats.

19-Jan-23 11:13am
#89

Frank

Scott wrote:
I really wanted to put "New 3D Mario game" on my list because I think there's a solid chance we get one this holiday, and they usually review very well. But, I decided to play it safer this year. I hope that one doesn't come back to bite me.
Don't worry, I took that risk

19-Jan-23 11:31am
#90

Scott

Would a 3D Mario game released near the end of this year count for "Unannounced Mario Movie Tie-In"? I thought you at least had to specify 2D or 3D for a franchise like this. If I could have just put "New Mario game" I would have been a bit more likely to take a chance on it.

19-Jan-23 11:34am
#91

Frank

Scott wrote:
Would a 3D Mario game released near the end of this year count for "Unannounced Mario Movie Tie-In"? I thought you at least had to specify 2D or 3D for a franchise like this. If I could have just put "New Mario game" I would have been a bit more likely to take a chance on it.
If it releases alongside the movie, or is directly tied into the movie is what I was going for, but I did ask HeavyD if that was acceptable prior to submitting my picks.

19-Jan-23 11:40am
#92

Scott

Well, I would love for a new Mario game to suddenly drop in April!

19-Jan-23 11:41am
#93

Heavyd814life

Frank wrote:
Scott wrote:> Would a 3D Mario game released near the end of this year count for "Unannounced Mario> Movie Tie-In"? I thought you at least had to specify 2D or 3D for a franchise like> this. If I could have just put "New Mario game" I would have been a bit more likely> to take a chance on it. If it releases alongside the movie, or is directly tied into the movie is what I was going for, but I did ask HeavyD if that was acceptable prior to submitting my picks.
Yeah, as long as it releases alongside the movie or is an obvious tie-in and not a standalone game then it’ll count.

19-Jan-23 12:21pm
#94

TalonJedi87

I was going to put Hogwarts Legacy as a bonus runner up game but said let me put in Starfield in case HL gets review bombed since it has all that controversy surrounding it.

19-Jan-23 12:27pm
#95

TalonJedi87

I love how like 90+% of folks put The Legend of Zelda: TOTK on their lists like I did. I mean it's pretty much a guaranteed 90 or above as is tradition with a new Zelda launch.

19-Jan-23 12:41pm
#96

Archer

HybridCRoW wrote:
Anyone else see the whole "Cancel Culture" going on about Hogwart's Legacy?? You don't think this is going to affect the ratings is it? Why can't people just leave things alone??
I thought about this a lot, but ended up picking it anyways. As I feel the game, from the footage shown in the last game play stream they had, is too good of a game and will survive all that. I'm expecting at least an 82, but hoping for an 87. But what do I know. Last year I finished dead last, lol.

19-Jan-23 1:14pm
#97

Heavyd814life

TalonJedi87 wrote:
I love how like 90+% of folks put The Legend of Zelda: TOTK on their lists like I did. I mean it's pretty much a guaranteed 90 or above as is tradition with a new Zelda launch.
Yeah, Zelda was on 28 out of 33 lists. Pretty surprised it wasn't a unanimous selection, actually.

19-Jan-23 1:54pm
#98

Shane12m

I’m gonna go ahead and say @Metsfan718 has the best list and it’s not even close
😂

19-Jan-23 4:05pm
#99

PizzaTheHutt

I wanted to include more PSVR2 games on my list, but too many are ports that have already released on PC's VR headsets, so I didn't think they'd count. I had to at least include Horizon though.

19-Jan-23 5:26pm
#100

bonham2

20-Jan-23 8:18am
#101

Scott

20-Jan-23 11:52am
#102

Heavyd814life

PizzaTheHutt wrote:
I wanted to include more PSVR2 games on my list, but too many are ports that have already released on PC's VR headsets, so I didn't think they'd count. I had to at least include Horizon though.
I totally spaced on VR games. Horizon looks like it could be a really solid pick!

20-Jan-23 4:39pm
#103

bonham2

Heavyd814life wrote:
It’s the only reason I didn’t put it on my list. It looks amazing, but I worry it won’t get a fair shake. It’ll get review bombed by users for sure, but I hope reviewers are professional enough to review the actual game and not J.K. Rowling.
I passed on Hogwarts Legacy for this very reason. Every single preview has to mention the "controversy" at some point in the article. I absolutely believe there will be a handful of "woke" reviewers tearing the game apart in any way they can. The sad part is it looks really good, and I'm actually looking forward to trying it.

20-Jan-23 6:22pm
#104

Frank

bonham2 wrote:
Scott wrote:> I really wanted to put "New 3D Mario game" on my list because I think there's a solid> chance we get one this holiday, and they usually review very well. But, I decided> to play it safer this year. I hope that one doesn't come back to bite me. I did the exact same thing. I think there's a pottery good chance we see a new Mario this year, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's a movie tie-in.
I hope so too! Not just because it's on my list, but because I think a Mario Movie tie-in game would be a breath of fresh air.

Imagine a Mario game, stylized like the movie, that combines elements of the 2D platformers, 3D platformers, Mario Kart, Mario Party, and the Mario Golf/Mario Tennis franchises into one single adventure. Maybe Luigi, Princess Peach, and Toad get some playable sections in the main story mode as well... Maybe a playable Bowser section as well (ala-TTYD)... I'm hyping myself up over something I just made up.

Finger's crossed Nintendo has something neat up its sleeve!

20-Jan-23 6:24pm
#105

Frank

Shane12m wrote:
I’m gonna go ahead and say @Metsfan718 has the best list and it’s not even close 😂
He may or may not have had some assistance forming a solid list

23-Jan-23 10:54am
#106

Heavyd814life

OP updated with scores for Forspoken. It's currently at 69 on Metacritic from 58 reviews.

https://www.metacrit...

23-Jan-23 11:00am
#107

Kommie

Oof, was the demo really that bland? SE gonna make all that money back with FF 16 however.

23-Jan-23 11:06am
#108

bogo

yikes...i was thiiiiiis close to adding it to my list as well. glad i held that one off!

23-Jan-23 12:11pm
#109

SwiftJAB

Dang, feels like I'm already out of the top 3 for the year with that low scoring game and we're not even out of January.

23-Jan-23 12:20pm
#110

TalonJedi87

Forspoken demo was so blah. Surprised it didn’t get lower TBH.

23-Jan-23 12:27pm
#111

Archer

Now at a 68 from 61 reviews.

24-Jan-23 2:53pm
#112

Heavyd814life

Looks like we should get Dead Space reviews on Thursday. I was surprised to see it included in just 15 of the 33 lists. I know anything EA is scary, but it looks like they really nailed the look and feel of the original. I'll be shocked if it isn't in the high 80s. I'm guessing 88. But maybe I'm a little too optimistic.

24-Jan-23 3:51pm
#113

TalonJedi87

I am a tad concerned with the Dead Space remake. Besides screenshots, I haven't really seen anything gameplay wise so I am of course nervous like some others I'm sure. IMO it's either going to do really well in the high 8's or really bad in the low 5's- 6's. It's on my list so I am hoping for gold plus it's one of my all time favorite horror games. Come on EA, you did it with Star Wars, do it again even if it's nothing more than a remake. Redemption time!

24-Jan-23 5:33pm
#114

HybridCRoW

Damn, I thought Forspoken had good stuff to it.

25-Jan-23 12:49pm
#115

Kommie

The Hogwarts Legacy devs are hyping it up so much. I'm expecting it to suck but I also don't like HP at all.

25-Jan-23 6:48pm
#116

Heavyd814life

Added the release date for Redfall to the OP.

25-Jan-23 7:52pm
#117

sefjwm

I just assumed Dead Space was just a remaster, guess I should have paid more attention.

25-Jan-23 8:01pm
#118

Shane12m

sefjwm wrote:
I just assumed Dead Space was just a remaster, guess I should have paid more attention.
Don’t worry it’s not gonna review super high I don’t think

25-Jan-23 8:21pm
#119

Kommie

OG Dead Sapce has 86 (pc) 89 (360) on Metacritic

Pretty high, especially if you picked a potential dud like Hogwarts

25-Jan-23 8:24pm
#120

TalonJedi87

I picked the Dead Space remake and hoping it does well although I’m worried it’s gonna do the opposite since with what little we’ve seen of the remake so far. It looks good in the screenshots. Does anyone know when the review embargo lifts?

25-Jan-23 8:31pm
#121

Kommie

Tomorrow at some point

25-Jan-23 8:37pm
#122

Heavyd814life

I'm surprised to hear such mixed feelings about Dead Space. It was one of the first games on my list. We'll know for sure soon enough. Embargo is tomorrow at 8AM PT

25-Jan-23 8:44pm
#123

Heavyd814life

Kommie wrote:
OG Dead Sapce has 86 (pc) 89 (360) on Metacritic Pretty high, especially if you picked a potential dud like Hogwarts
Are you down on Hogwarts based on what they've shown? I know vertical slices can be misleading, but I think it's one of the most impressive-looking games slated for this year. Traversal, exploration, combat...it all looks really good and the previews that dropped for it today were very positive. I don't know. Maybe it's just the Harry Potter fan in me, but I can't wait for this game! I just don't know what effect the JK debacle will have on its final Metacritic score.

25-Jan-23 8:57pm
#124

Shane12m

Kommie wrote:
OG Dead Sapce has 86 (pc) 89 (360) on Metacritic Pretty high, especially if you picked a potential dud like Hogwarts
that’s just my opinion. I wasn't trash talking. But have at it lol
I was just stating I don’t think it’s gonna review super high, but I hope it does!
I want all these games we are excited for to be great

25-Jan-23 9:03pm
#125

Shane12m

Heavyd814life wrote:
I'm surprised to hear such mixed feelings about Dead Space. It was one of the first games on my list. We'll know for sure soon enough. Embargo is tomorrow at 8AM PT
I think it’s gonna be great. I just meant by not ranking super high as in not reaching the 90s. I hope it does though.

25-Jan-23 9:40pm
#126

TalonJedi87

I’m hoping and wanting it to also be great like an 8.5 or higher as it’s one of my favorite horror titles of the 360/PS3 era, I’m just preparing for the worst. Gotta set expectations low that way I’m not too disappointed if EA ends up crapping the bed.

25-Jan-23 9:57pm
#127

Archer

From everything I've seen, it seems like its in the vein of the RE remakes and Demon's Souls remake. 90% accurate to the original. And with qol improvements, not just graphic updates. So I think it should review well.

26-Jan-23 6:02am
#128

Kommie

Heavyd814life wrote:
Kommie wrote:> OG Dead Sapce has 86 (pc) 89 (360) on Metacritic> > Pretty high, especially if you picked a potential dud like Hogwarts Are you down on Hogwarts based on what they've shown? I know vertical slices can be misleading, but I think it's one of the most impressive-looking games slated for this year. Traversal, exploration, combat...it all looks really good and the previews that dropped for it today were very positive. I don't know. Maybe it's just the Harry Potter fan in me, but I can't wait for this game! I just don't know what effect the JK debacle will have on its final Metacritic score.
They're just doing so much advertising and hype for it, just feels like CP2077 all over again. There's an 11 minute clip floating around now and it just doesn't look that impressive.... I know HP fans want it to be good though.

26-Jan-23 8:16am
#129

bonham2

I've read that Dead Space is not as much of a jump forward as the Resident Evil games, but they make sense given the age of the originals. I think a mid 80s score is likely.

Hogwarts looks good, but I am a little concerned that it might not be as fully fleshed out as expected. I have hope. I am definitely interested in giving it a shot. With that said, I fully expect reviewers top bash it for political reasons. Any issue with the game will be blown out of proportion to justify the low review scores. At least, that's my prediction.

26-Jan-23 10:14am
#130

bogo

for Hogwarts, with the amount of publicity and marketing money they're throwing at it, i'm thinking that they believe its going to be a hit.

also, for review scores in this thread, do we count critics AND users, or just critics? when i added it to my list, i was under the expectation that it was critic only; might be disappointed if its got user bombs in there too...

26-Jan-23 10:48am
#131

Heavyd814life

bogo wrote:
for Hogwarts, with the amount of publicity and marketing money they're throwing at it, i'm thinking that they believe its going to be a hit. also, for review scores in this thread, do we count critics AND users, or just critics? when i added it to my list, i was under the expectation that it was critic only; might be disappointed if its got user bombs in there too...
Just critics.

26-Jan-23 11:07am
#132

Kommie

Dead Space currently 88 on OpenCritic

26-Jan-23 11:17am
#133

Kommie

Currently at 90 on Metacritic

26-Jan-23 11:39am
#134

Boss

https://www.metacrit...

26-Jan-23 11:43am
#135

TalonJedi87

Wooooo! Can't wait to play the Dead Space remake even more now. Glad to see EA is putting their greedy money to work in good devs again. Let's hope that they don't give Motive Studios the banhammer like they did to Visceral Games.

26-Jan-23 11:55am
#136

Shane12m

Nice! I’m glad it’s reviewing well. Nice pick for those that chose it :)

26-Jan-23 12:09pm
#137

Scott

I didn't even consider Dead Space as I don't know much about the original. Guess I should have looked into it more.

26-Jan-23 12:22pm
#138

DemonAlcohol

How long after release do you wait to get the final metacritic score?

26-Jan-23 12:35pm
#139

Archer

Currently an 89 with 51 reviews.

Positive: 50
Mixed: 1

Not a single negative review for it.

26-Jan-23 1:31pm
#140

Heavyd814life

Okay guys. I just updated the OP with the scores for Dead Space. It's still at 89 on Metacritic from 52 reviews. I guessed 88 so not far off! Can't wait to play this!

https://www.metacrit...

26-Jan-23 1:36pm
#141

Heavyd814life

DemonAlcohol wrote:
How long after release do you wait to get the final metacritic score?
So I update the OP once a bunch of reviews come in. I then make edits as the year goes on if the score changes. Using Dead Space as an example, there are enough reviews in where it's probably going to stay at 89. If the score does change, it'll either go up or down a point. At the end of the year when I do the final tally to crown a winner, that's when I grab the final metacritic score.

26-Jan-23 2:36pm
#142

Archer

I just saw they are charging full price for it, $69.99. I guess I'll be waiting for this to drop in price. Or get added to GP in 6 months since it is an EA title. Not sure why I was expecting Dead Space to be $39.99 or something.

26-Jan-23 4:12pm
#143

TalonJedi87

Yeah I am so over these remakes at the new $70 price tag. The Last of Us, Dead Space. I will definitely wait for that $39.99 price tag myself as that is what I feel a remake should be priced at. I'd even pay as much as $50 for a game I really love like TLOU or Dead Space, but $70? The must be on all of the drugs.

26-Jan-23 4:33pm
#144

Kommie

I'll probably buy it at $70. I liked the original Dead Space quite a bit.

I'll wait on the Silent Hill 2 remake though, that's bound to be... Not great.

26-Jan-23 5:19pm
#145

TalonJedi87

I like Bloober Team but yeah Silent Hill is going to hold some high expectations from fans and they’re a B level developer sadly. Blair Witch was plagued with performance issues, albeit having a very cool story and puzzles and The Medium was middle of the road good but not great.

26-Jan-23 6:34pm
#146

PizzaTheHutt

I also am waiting for a price drop on Dead Space. I don't have as much issue with the price though. I would if it was a full priced simple remaster or port, but it's more than that, so I expected $70. Currently saving up for a new tattoo though, so Dead Space gets bumped down a couple notches on the priority list.
I did install the original Dead Space on Steam to play through in the meantime.

26-Jan-23 6:55pm
#147

Heavyd814life

I just realized that the OG Dead Space came out 15 years ago! That doesn't even sound right. I feel so old lol.

26-Jan-23 6:56pm
#148

DemonAlcohol

I'm halfway through Dead Space (2018) and it still holds up. New version def isn't worth $70 but i'll pick it up when it gets under half that.

26-Jan-23 7:06pm
#149

DemonAlcohol

I have the original on Steam, but all three of the original games are on Gamepass.

30-Jan-23 1:13pm
#150

Heavyd814life

OP updated with scores for SpongeBob SquarePants: The Cosmic Shake. It's at 68 on Metacritic from 12 reviews.

https://www.metacrit...

30-Jan-23 2:43pm
#151

HybridCRoW

Heavyd814life wrote:
OP updated with scores for SpongeBob SquarePants: The Cosmic Shake. It's at 68 on Metacritic from 12 reviews. https://www.metacrit...
I feel like this is a game only kids would enjoy....

30-Jan-23 5:21pm
#152

Frank

HybridCRoW wrote:
Heavyd814life wrote:> OP updated with scores for SpongeBob SquarePants: The Cosmic Shake. It's at 68 on> Metacritic from 12 reviews. > > https://www.metacrit...> I feel like this is a game only kids would enjoy....
I guess you're calling me a kid.

Battle For Bikini Bottom Rehydrated was actually really good... It's a shame this one doesn't live up to its predecessor.

31-Jan-23 2:24am
#153

sefjwm

60-70 is where I would expect a game like that. Still going to play it eventually.

31-Jan-23 4:25pm
#154

Heavyd814life

Star Wars Jedi: Survivor has been delayed to April 28. Just updated the upcoming releases section of the OP.

https://www.gematsu....

6-Feb-23 7:32am
#155

Kommie

Hogwarts Legacy reviews are out and better than I expected. 86 on Open Critic right now. I have 0% interest but looks good for anyone who was looking forward to it.

6-Feb-23 7:44am
#156

Bleed_DukeBlue

Nice! All the stuff I read from people who played the game early has been positive, so I was hopeful. I’ve been looking forward to it for a long time.

Kommie wrote:
Hogwarts Legacy reviews are out and better than I expected. 86 on Open Critic right now. I have 0% interest but looks good for anyone who was looking forward to it.

6-Feb-23 8:36am
#157

TalonJedi87

I may have to get it eventually. Not for $70 tho.

6-Feb-23 8:46am
#158

Heavyd814life

Day 1 for me. Can't freaking wait! Still can't believe I let the JK stuff scare me away from picking it. I should have had more faith in the reviewers lol. Updating the OP now...

6-Feb-23 9:09am
#159

Heavyd814life

OP updated with scores for Hogwarts Legacy. It's currently at 86 from 42 reviews.

https://www.metacrit...

6-Feb-23 9:09am
#160

Shane12m

Heavyd814life wrote:
Day 1 for me. Can't freaking wait! Still can't believe I let the JK stuff scare me away from picking it. I should have had more faith in the reviewers lol. Updating the OP now...
Idk your list is SOLID. What would you have replaced it with?

6-Feb-23 9:30am
#161

Heavyd814life

Shane12m wrote:
Heavyd814life wrote:> Day 1 for me. Can't freaking wait! Still can't believe I let the JK stuff scare me> away from picking it. I should have had more faith in the reviewers lol. Updating> the OP now...> > Idk your list is SOLID. What would you have replaced it with?
Trails to Azure. I initially had Hogwarts in my top 10 and Azure and Wo Long as my alts. But yeah, I should be okay. Azure is generally considered the best in the series and it felt like a really safe pick. Probably won't hit 86, but it should be between 80-85.

6-Feb-23 9:46am
#162

Shane12m

Heavyd814life wrote:
Shane12m wrote:> Heavyd814life wrote: |>> Day 1 for me. Can't freaking wait! Still can't believe I let the JK stuff scare> me |>> away from picking it. I should have had more faith in the reviewers lol. Updating |>> the OP now... |>> |>> > > Idk your list is SOLID. What would you have replaced it with? Trails to Azure. I initially had Hogwarts in my top 10 and Azure and Wo Long as my alts. But yeah, I should be okay. Azure is generally considered the best in the series and it felt like a really safe pick. Probably won't hit 86, but it should be between 80-85.
I think Azure is a good pick and I had it on my list but swapped it with a gamble pick in Silksong. Azure will review well and may hit 90 or close to it partially due to those games not getting a ton of reviews and it’s generally reviewed by hardcore fans of the series or genre

6-Feb-23 2:16pm
#163

Archer

TalonJedi87 wrote:
I may have to get it eventually. Not for $70 tho.
I feel this way about every game now.

6-Feb-23 5:12pm
#164

TalonJedi87

I’m so glad it’s not just me. Even the heavy hitters for me like Jedi Survivor I’m going eh I’m sure it’ll be $40-50 in a month or so after release.

6-Feb-23 5:18pm
#165

DemonAlcohol

I usually wait about a year to play any game. Not only is it cheaper, they work out any bugs or glitches.

6-Feb-23 6:11pm
#166

TalonJedi87

Another wise way to play. Nowadays there’s at least 5 post launch patches for these big budget games before they get it 100% up to spec. Heck I’m still waiting on a 60fps patch for Gotham Knights that I’m sure will never come long after I’m even finished with it.

8-Feb-23 5:21pm
#167

sefjwm

Wow Pikmin 4 has a date - July 21, 2023

8-Feb-23 5:46pm
#168

bonham2

sefjwm wrote:
Wow Pikmin 4 has a date - July 21, 2023
I had that on my list but pulled it to play it safe. Now I'm kicking myself.

8-Feb-23 5:50pm
#169

sefjwm

8/29 for Sea of Stars
5/12 for Zelda

8-Feb-23 5:55pm
#170

Boss

Sea of Stars looks great.

8-Feb-23 7:19pm
#171

Heavyd814life

Thanks guys. Just added those dates to the OP

8-Feb-23 7:48pm
#172

sefjwm

Boss wrote:
Sea of Stars looks great.
I heard of the devs when they had The Messenger getting good reviews and after an hour with it I immediately kickstarted Sea of Stars. I'm super excited for it.

8-Feb-23 8:11pm
#173

sefjwm

Sorry still watching the Direct (happened during work) looks like Advance Wars 1-2 is finally coming 4/21

8-Feb-23 10:12pm
#174

Heavyd814life

sefjwm wrote:
Sorry still watching the Direct (happened during work) looks like Advance Wars 1-2 is finally coming 4/21
Thanks! Added that one as well.

9-Feb-23 7:24am
#175

bonham2

sefjwm wrote:
Sorry still watching the Direct (happened during work) looks like Advance Wars 1-2 is finally coming 4/21
Still salty about this one.

9-Feb-23 12:49pm
#176

sefjwm

Some neat Animal Well updates but no release date :( It's only February but feels like this one might slip already https://blog.playsta...

14-Feb-23 6:50pm
#177

Heavyd814life

OP updated with the score for Theatrhythm Final Bar Line. It's currently at 87 on Metacritic from 21 reviews. Did not see this coming at all. Only @frank has it on his list and only as an alternate.

https://www.metacrit...

14-Feb-23 7:28pm
#178

3hitcombo

Heavyd814life wrote:
OP updated with the score for Theatrhythm Final Bar Line. It's currently at 87 on Metacritic from 21 reviews. Did not see this coming at all. Only @frank has it on his list and only as an alternate. https://www.metacrit...
Happy birthday!

15-Feb-23 10:13am
#179

Heavyd814life

3hitcombo wrote:
Heavyd814life wrote:> OP updated with the score for Theatrhythm Final Bar Line. It's currently at 87 on> Metacritic from 21 reviews. Did not see this coming at all. Only @frank has it on> his list and only as an alternate. > > https://www.metacrit...> > Happy birthday!
Thanks!

15-Feb-23 11:34am
#180

TalonJedi87

Atomic Heart reviews incoming early next week. I am very pumped for that game. It looks ridiculous. Come on big money, no whammy!

15-Feb-23 1:25pm
#181

Frank

16-Feb-23 9:37am
#182

Shane12m

Horizon reviews are coming in. Currently at 79 on metacritic

16-Feb-23 10:15am
#183

Heavyd814life

Reviews for Wild Hearts also coming in. It's currently at 80 on Metacritic. Gonna give it a couple of hours so a few more reviews can come in for both before updating the OP.

16-Feb-23 10:26am
#184

Bleed_DukeBlue

I’m still excited to play it, but that’s a little disappointing. I thought it would be higher.

Shane12m wrote:
Horizon reviews are coming in. Currently at 79 on metacritic

16-Feb-23 11:44am
#185

Shane12m

Bleed_DukeBlue wrote:
I’m still excited to play it, but that’s a little disappointing. I thought it would be higher. Shane12m wrote:> Horizon reviews are coming in. Currently at 79 on metacritic
Yeah I am still excited to play it and it still has some really high praise for it.

16-Feb-23 12:25pm
#186

sefjwm

Shane12m wrote:
Horizon reviews are coming in. Currently at 79 on metacritic
RIP my list xD

16-Feb-23 12:35pm
#187

TalonJedi87

2 more games on my list are due out next week:

Like a Dragon: Ishin
Atomic Heart

I’m predicting Like a Dragon to be low 80s. Atomic Heart is the wild card one. No idea how that’s gonna go but I’m hoping for low 80s as well.

16-Feb-23 1:04pm
#188

Heavyd814life

sefjwm wrote:
Shane12m wrote:> Horizon reviews are coming in. Currently at 79 on metacritic RIP my list xD
Nah, you're good. 79 isn't a death sentence at all. I had F1 2022 on my list last year (also a 79) and won and the year before that, @Ryan had two games in the 70s and won.

16-Feb-23 1:07pm
#189

Heavyd814life

TalonJedi87 wrote:
2 more games on my list are due out next week: Like a Dragon: Ishin Atomic Heart I’m predicting Like a Dragon to be low 80s. Atomic Heart is the wild card one. No idea how that’s gonna go but I’m hoping for low 80s as well.
Atomic Heart looks rad! I hadn't even heard of it until I saw it on a few lists here. It looks like a cross between BioShock and Wolfenstein and could definitely be in the 80s.

16-Feb-23 1:14pm
#190

benstylus

I think nearly every game except Zelda will struggle this year. Last year was super strong at the top with Elden Ring, Ragnarok, and Gran Turismo 7, all of which have been anticipated for years.

This year's games seem to be a lot more likely tk be mid to low-80 material.

I guess that means people with a few more esoteric picks still have a decent chance to compete with those who went full mainstream.

16-Feb-23 1:26pm
#191

Heavyd814life

benstylus wrote:
I think nearly every game except Zelda will struggle this year. Last year was super strong at the top with Elden Ring, Ragnarok, and Gran Turismo 7, all of which have been anticipated for years. This year's games seem to be a lot more likely tk be mid to low-80 material. I guess that means people with a few more esoteric picks still have a decent chance to compete with those who went full mainstream.
That's fair, but I think there's more depth this year. More games with a chance to be in the mid-80s. But the potential to join Zelda in the 90s is there for games like RE4, Diablo 4, Spider-Man, and BG3 if they all make it out this year.

16-Feb-23 1:29pm
#192

Heavyd814life

Ok guys I just updated the OP with scores for Horizon Call of the Mountain and Wild Hearts. Both are at 79 on Metacritic. Solid scores. About what I expected for Wild Hearts, but definitely a little lower than I expected for the PSVR 2's first-party system seller. The game still pretty rad tho and I'll definitely give it a try when I finally get my hands on the headset.

16-Feb-23 1:29pm
#193

benstylus

Other than maybe RE, I really don't see any of the other non-zelda's breaking 90.

Reviewers seem to be getting a little more critical because there aren't really many new ideas happening right now.

16-Feb-23 1:41pm
#194

TalonJedi87

The one I’m really concerned with on my list is suicide squad kill the justice league. The more I read about that about how it might be targeted as a live service, and have live service elements similar to how Gotham Knights appeared to be set up before they changed it, worries the crap out of me because I hold Rocksteady in such high esteem and to see them bend the knee to their corporate overlords would make me a very sad panda.

16-Feb-23 3:19pm
#195

Shane12m

TalonJedi87 wrote:
The one I’m really concerned with on my list is suicide squad kill the justice league. The more I read about that about how it might be targeted as a live service, and have live service elements similar to how Gotham Knights appeared to be set up before they changed it, worries the crap out of me because I hold Rocksteady in such high esteem and to see them bend the knee to their corporate overlords would make me a very sad panda.
Yeah I’m feeling the same way. I picked it because of it being made by rocksteady but that live service stuff has me bummed

17-Feb-23 7:38am
#196

Heavyd814life

Reviews are in early for Octopath Traveler II. It's currently at 86 on Metacrtitic from 23 reviews. OP should be up to date!

https://www.metacrit...

17-Feb-23 8:55am
#197

bonham2

I put Suicide Squad as an alternate due to it being developed by Rocksteady.

I'm hearing some bad things about some others I expected to be good (Diablo IV, Redfall, etc). This life be a rough year for some of our lists.

17-Feb-23 8:55am
#198

bonham2

Heavyd814life wrote:
Reviews are in early for Octopath Traveler II. It's currently at 86 on Metacrtitic from 23 reviews. OP should be up to date! https://www.metacrit...
Woohoo, I forgot I picked this one.

17-Feb-23 11:14am
#199

Boss

bonham2 wrote:
I put Suicide Squad as an alternate due to it being developed by Rocksteady. I'm hearing some bad things about some others I expected to be good (Diablo IV, Redfall, etc). This life be a rough year for some of our lists.

Between your list and mine we have like a 3 game difference.

17-Feb-23 12:38pm
#200

Heavyd814life

Okay folks, just updated the OP with scores for Like a Dragon: Ishin! It's currently at 82 on Metacritic from 41 reviews.

https://www.metacrit...

17-Feb-23 5:13pm
#201

TalonJedi87

Sweet! Exactly what I was predicting for Like a Dragon too. Nice!!!

17-Feb-23 7:43pm
#202

HybridCRoW

If only I had looked into the Sherlock Holmes remake more and saw it is being done by a company in the Ukraine... Stupid political agendas messing w/ video games!!

On the positive note, this is interesting.

20-Feb-23 2:14am
#203

sefjwm

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That's not a good sign

20-Feb-23 8:04am
#204

Heavyd814life

Oh wow. Definitely not a good sign. I think the embargo was a few mins ago. We should have reviews coming in shortly.

20-Feb-23 8:32am
#205

Kommie

Open Critic is at 72% with 60% of critics recommending it.... Not looking great.

20-Feb-23 9:00am
#206

Heavyd814life

OP updated with scores for Atomic Heart. It's currently at 75 on Metacritic from 22 reviews. Honestly not too bad. I expected way worse after that PowerPyx post.

https://www.metacrit...

20-Feb-23 10:00am
#207

bogo

Yikes, that made my final short list... Dodged a bullet there

20-Feb-23 11:00am
#208

TalonJedi87

Crap I was afraid of that. Still 75 isn’t terrible for Atomic Heart. I was expecting 80s but I’ll settle for a 75. I’m glad it’s on Game Pass though since I do not feature on spending full price for it since it sounds like a clusterbang.

20-Feb-23 12:22pm
#209

Archer

I just realized I forgot to put Lies of P on my list.

20-Feb-23 12:30pm
#210

Kommie

Archer wrote:
I just realized I forgot to put Lies of P on my list.
I'm not expecting it to do that great, outside of From Software those games usually don't score that high

20-Feb-23 12:40pm
#211

Archer

Kommie wrote:
Archer wrote:> I just realized I forgot to put Lies of P on my list. I'm not expecting it to do that great, outside of From Software those games usually don't score that high
I'm just exited to play Bloodborne 2.0 I guess. It might not review well. But damn does it look great based on the gameplay footage from the other day.

20-Feb-23 1:43pm
#212

Heavyd814life

I hadn't even heard of Lies of P until I saw it on a couple of lists. Couldn't find any footage that really did much for me, but I'll have to check out whatever they posted recently because Bloodborne 2.0 is...whoa!

Also looks like Company of Heroes 3 is reviewing well. No one has it, but It's currently at 84 from 20 reviews. I had it on my shortlist but it didn't make the final cut.

20-Feb-23 2:10pm
#213

Archer

This one has the strongest BB vibes from the combat. Plus it looks like it as well.

https://www.youtube....

20-Feb-23 2:19pm
#214

TalonJedi87

I think Lies of P is another Game Pass title at launch too. It doesn't look that amazing to me like Bloodborne, the king of kings, but I may check it out on GP.

20-Feb-23 2:49pm
#215

sefjwm

Reviewing surprisingly better than those initial reports.

22-Feb-23 2:12pm
#216

Heavyd814life

OP updated with scores for Kirby’s Return To Dream Land Deluxe. It's currently at 80 on Metacritic from 57 reviews.

https://www.metacrit...

23-Feb-23 1:36am
#217

SupremeSarna

I thought the rules prohibited remakes and remasters.

23-Feb-23 1:41am
#218

Archer

SupremeSarna wrote:
I thought the rules prohibited remakes and remasters.
Remakes are allowed. Remasters and ports are not.

23-Feb-23 12:52pm
#219

PizzaTheHutt

Which category does Kirby fit into, though? I know it has a bit of new content, but more of those reviews call it a remaster than a remake. I personally thought it was the former. I'm fine with it counting though and either way I'll be skipping it because they couldn't even be bothered to add in online co-op like how they did for the Super Mario 3D World port.

23-Feb-23 1:04pm
#220

Archer

Its a remake.

23-Feb-23 1:09pm
#221

benstylus

Personally I think it's a little silly to have to distinguish between the two for the fantasy league.

Do remasters typically score as high as the original? Or does the passage of time mean the gameplay is beginning to show its age so they typically score lower?

Unless remasters are consistently high scorers, it seems like including one on your list would be a "safe" 75+ pick rather than a good 85+ one.

23-Feb-23 6:47pm
#222

bonham2

Metroid Prime Remastered says hi.

23-Feb-23 6:51pm
#223

benstylus

bonham2 wrote:
Metroid Prime Remastered says hi.
Yes, that's one example, but not a great one... because the people who would have picked it the last 3 years it was rumored to be coming out would have scored zero in all those years.

23-Feb-23 6:56pm
#224

Frank

Could eliminate remakes and remasters entirely next year to simplify it

23-Feb-23 7:02pm
#225

3hitcombo

Frank wrote:
Could eliminate remakes and remasters entirely next year to simplify it

Welp there goes 60% of modern gaming

23-Feb-23 7:03pm
#226

Frank

3hitcombo wrote:
Frank wrote:> Could eliminate remakes and remasters entirely next year to simplify it

> > Welp there goes 60% of modern gaming
Fantasy League 2024 Hard Mode

23-Feb-23 7:03pm
#227

benstylus

I went to metacritic and looked at the first 50 results that popped up when I typed the word "remaster" in the search bar.

Seven of them score 86 or higher.
Twenty of them scored 79 or lower, including four that were in the 60s and one that did the get enough reviews to be ranked.

So it seems they are almost three times as likely to be poorer performers than they are to be excellent. But just over half are in the 80 to 85 range.

23-Feb-23 7:03pm
#228

benstylus

Frank wrote:
3hitcombo wrote:> Frank wrote: |>> Could eliminate remakes and remasters entirely next year to simplify it

> |>> |>> > > Welp there goes 60% of modern gaming> > Fantasy League 2024 Hard Mode
Get rid of sequels too while we're at it if you really want hard mode.

Thrn the challenge is coming up with a list of 12 games at all!

23-Feb-23 7:13pm
#229

Frank

benstylus wrote:
Frank wrote:> 3hitcombo wrote: |>> Frank wrote:> |>> Could eliminate remakes and remasters entirely next year to simplify it

|>> > |>> > |>> |>> |>> Welp there goes 60% of modern gaming |>> |>> > > Fantasy League 2024 Hard Mode> Get rid of sequels too while we're at it if you really want hard mode. Thrn the challenge is coming up with a list of 12 games at all!
Damn man, that would be Hard Mode. I'm good with it the way it is

23-Feb-23 8:06pm
#230

Heavyd814life

Lol yeah maybe it’s time to get rid of remakes so we don’t have this debate anymore.

In other news, I just watched the gameplay stuff they showed for Suicide Squad and I honestly can’t put into words how disappointed I am. It looks awful to me. It’s like Avengers meets Anthem meets Crackdown 3. Gross!

23-Feb-23 8:26pm
#231

Kommie

Sounds like what I expected..... Another crappy live service game made because of a popular IP

23-Feb-23 11:09pm
#232

benstylus

Kommie wrote:
crappy live service
Redundant wording.

It's Ike when you're in Kentucky, you don't have to call the famous chicken chain restaurant KFC. You can just call it C because 1 you are in the state, and 2 fried is the default food option here.

24-Feb-23 8:26am
#233

Scott

Heavyd814life wrote:
Lol yeah maybe it’s time to get rid of remakes so we don’t have this debate anymore.
I don't really care too much either way, just curious, why would you prefer this over just allowing remakes AND remasters?

24-Feb-23 9:02am
#234

bonham2

Heavyd814life wrote:
Lol yeah maybe it’s time to get rid of remakes so we don’t have this debate anymore. In other news, I just watched the gameplay stuff they showed for Suicide Squad and I honestly can’t put into words how disappointed I am. It looks awful to me. It’s like Avengers meets Anthem meets Crackdown 3. Gross!
I regret putting this as my 2nd alternate. I saw Rocksteady and thought the guys behind the Arkham series couldn't possibly screw this up. I guess I was wrong.

24-Feb-23 9:56am
#235

Heavyd814life

Scott wrote:
Heavyd814life wrote:> Lol yeah maybe it’s time to get rid of remakes so we don’t have this debate anymore. I don't really care too much either way, just curious, why would you prefer this over just allowing remakes AND remasters?
I don't even remember anymore lol. I think it's because when we started this up 6 years ago, we were in that phase where there was a new remaster being released every other week. They didn't feel like new games and the idea was that since a remake is something built from scratch, it really should count as a new game. But even that definition doesn't work anymore because while something like FF7 Remake definitely feels like a new game, something like The Last of Us Part 1, which is built from scratch, doesn't feel like it should qualify.

This year, you have games like Kirby and Advance Wars that kinda blur the lines between remaster and remake, but since both are marketed as remakes, they qualify. So I don't know what everyone would like to do moving forward. I'm cool keeping things as they are or we could just scrap remakes as well to simplify things.

24-Feb-23 10:03am
#236

Best1989

I'm good with keeping them.

24-Feb-23 11:05am
#237

3hitcombo

Geez all this over Kirby

24-Feb-23 11:28am
#238

Cevil

Welp, Clive N Wrench getting some bad scores. This is why I have trust issues, the game looked so good!

24-Feb-23 12:22pm
#239

benstylus

Cevil wrote:
Welp, Clive N Wrench getting some bad scores. This is why I have trust issues, the game looked so good!
Plucky developer tries to win the hearts of consumers by invoking the nostalgia of Rare's N64 platformers (back when Rare was at the top of their game)...

...Finished product ends up feeling closer to a 3rd party ps1 platformer.

But hey at least it ain't bubsy!

24-Feb-23 1:33pm
#240

Heavyd814life

3hitcombo wrote:
Geez all this over Kirby
Lol nah. This happens every year.

24-Feb-23 8:26pm
#241

Frank

Cevil wrote:
Welp, Clive N Wrench getting some bad scores. This is why I have trust issues, the game looked so good!
I've had it wishlisted for years! That's a real shame.

24-Feb-23 9:09pm
#242

HybridCRoW

I guess I shot my load early this time... I'm the only one with all but 2 titles released/scored already... everyone else has spread themselves out...

Not saying I didn't try to do that, I just didn't see any titles that piqued my interest.

25-Feb-23 12:44pm
#243

Shane12m

Heavyd814life wrote:
3hitcombo wrote:> Geez all this over Kirby> > Lol nah. This happens every year.
Yeah it seems silly to me that if we removed remakes then great games like ff7 remake (an entire overhaul for a remake) and dead space wouldn’t count. I’m all for keeping remakes as an option but not allowing remasters.

25-Feb-23 12:57pm
#244

Frank

26-Feb-23 6:44am
#245

Boss

Shane12m wrote:
Heavyd814life wrote:> 3hitcombo wrote: |>> Geez all this over Kirby |>> |>> > > Lol nah. This happens every year. > > Yeah it seems silly to me that if we removed remakes then great games like ff7 remake (an entire overhaul for a remake) and dead space wouldn’t count. I’m all for keeping remakes as an option but not allowing remasters.

That's how it is now.

26-Feb-23 7:33am
#246

benstylus

I just think it makes it a bit more complicated when determining what is a remake vs a remaster. Because people gonna argue.

If the goal is to get people to not load the list up with a bunch of proven winners, a simpler solution would be just instituting a limit of 1 or 2 remakes/remasters, and everything else has to be a brand new game.

Maybe even limit then to the alts

26-Feb-23 10:53am
#247

Shane12m

Boss wrote:
Shane12m wrote:> Heavyd814life wrote: |>> 3hitcombo wrote:> |>> Geez all this over Kirby> |>> > |>> |>> |>> Lol nah. This happens every year. |>> |>> > > Yeah it seems silly to me that if we removed remakes then great games like ff7 remake> (an entire overhaul for a remake) and dead space wouldn’t count. I’m all for> keeping remakes as an option but not allowing remasters. That's how it is now.
I know :)
Just saying we should keep it how it is

27-Feb-23 9:30am
#248

Heavyd814life

Just updated the OP with scores for Clive 'N' Wrench. It's currently at 61 on Metacritic from 7 reviews. Wanted to wait for a few more reviews before updating the OP, but I'm not sure how many reviews are going to come in for this one.

Next up sometime this week should be Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty.

27-Feb-23 9:36am
#249

Heavyd814life

benstylus wrote:
I just think it makes it a bit more complicated when determining what is a remake vs a remaster. Because people gonna argue. If the goal is to get people to not load the list up with a bunch of proven winners, a simpler solution would be just instituting a limit of 1 or 2 remakes/remasters, and everything else has to be a brand new game. Maybe even limit then to the alts
See this is what I'd want to avoid. Adding more rules and qualifiers. I think that's what would make things more complicated.

As is, things are pretty clear. If a game is billed as a remake then it counts. You'll have cases like Kirby this year and Advance Wars which sparked this debate last year where the lines are blurred, but as long as a developer/publisher considers a game a remake then it qualifies under the rules.

27-Feb-23 9:38am
#250

Heavyd814life

HybridCRoW wrote:
I guess I shot my load early this time... I'm the only one with all but 2 titles released/scored already... everyone else has spread themselves out... Not saying I didn't try to do that, I just didn't see any titles that piqued my interest.
Yeah, you're pretty much set. Even if your final two games get delayed, you have alts to take their place. Surprised you didn't have Zelda on your list, though. That seems like a lock to review really, really well.

27-Feb-23 9:40am
#251

Heavyd814life

27-Feb-23 2:36pm
#252

HybridCRoW

Heavyd814life wrote:
HybridCRoW wrote:> I guess I shot my load early this time... I'm the only one with all but 2 titles> released/scored already... everyone else has spread themselves out...> > Not saying I didn't try to do that, I just didn't see any titles that piqued my interest.> > Yeah, you're pretty much set. Even if your final two games get delayed, you have alts to take their place. Surprised you didn't have Zelda on your list, though. That seems like a lock to review really, really well.
I had this minor itch telling me not to put it on the list as it felt like it would be delayed again... Dunno why I didn't have that same itch about being delayed with the Sherlock Holmes one.

28-Feb-23 2:46pm
#253

Heavyd814life

Anyone else play the Wo Long demo? Just played it for about 30 mins and I have no idea how it’s going to review. I didn’t like it, but I think it’s because I’m kinda over the Nioh formula. It feels like a reskin of Nioh 2 is many ways (level design, UI, loot system, boring story, mute protagonist etc). The combat is solid, though. It feels like a mix between Nioh and Sekiro. But it’s way too easy and just doesn’t feel anywhere near as good to play as either Sekiro or the Nioh games do. Maybe I’m just a little jaded, but I think I’m gonna skip this and wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t crack 80 on Metacritic.

EDIT: Looks like it’ll be on Gamepass day 1 which is awesome for the Xbox peeps. You guys get to try it out without having to shell out $70.

28-Feb-23 3:27pm
#254

Archer

Yeah, I regret adding it to my list after playing the demo.

28-Feb-23 3:28pm
#255

Kommie

There was a demo awhile ago.... This is the second demo.

28-Feb-23 4:41pm
#256

TalonJedi87

Yeah I’m over the Nioh style myself too. If it’s just another Nioh clone it’ll be a hard pass for me.

1-Mar-23 5:58pm
#257

sefjwm

Wolf Among Us 2 delayed into 2024, I thought I saw someone had that one.

1-Mar-23 7:21pm
#258

Heavyd814life

sefjwm wrote:
Wolf Among Us 2 delayed into 2024, I thought I saw someone had that one.
Bummer. And yeah, @bogo has it on his list.

2-Mar-23 8:54am
#259

bogo

yeah, disappointed, but not shocked that its delayed

2-Mar-23 9:12am
#260

Shane12m

Wo Long currently sitting at 81 on metacritic.
Def worth a look on game pass I think

2-Mar-23 11:08am
#261

Heavyd814life

Shane12m wrote:
Wo Long currently sitting at 81 on metacritic. Def worth a look on game pass I think
Yeah the fact that it's coming to Gamepass day one is pretty awesome! Glad it reviewed well. This is what I hoped for when I picked it as an alt, but I was worried after I played the demo which I didn't like.

OP is now up to date, guys. Wo Long is still at 81 from 48 reviews.

https://www.metacrit...

2-Mar-23 12:06pm
#262

Archer

I was expecting much lower based on that demo.

8-Mar-23 10:06am
#263

Kommie

Starfield delayed, again. Wonder if it's because of the XsS not being able to play it?

8-Mar-23 10:08am
#264

Kommie

So much for "all these games playable in the next months"

So, Silksong will not be this year it seems.

8-Mar-23 10:31am
#265

Archer

Kommie wrote:
Starfield delayed, again. Wonder if it's because of the XsS not being able to play it?
Hogwarts didn't launch with an X1 or S version yet, but the X version is out. They seem to be relaxing on that rule. But then again, this is a first party title, so maybe that is the issue. Either way that is a stupid ass rule and from what a lot of devs has said its been a pain in the ass for a lot of them.

8-Mar-23 10:35am
#266

Kommie

Archer wrote:
Kommie wrote:> Starfield delayed, again. Wonder if it's because of the XsS not being able to play> it? Hogwarts didn't launch with an X1 or S version yet, but the X version is out. They seem to be relaxing on that rule. But then again, this is a first party title, so maybe that is the issue. Either way that is a stupid ass rule and from what a lot of devs has said its been a pain in the ass for a lot of them.
Bethesda games aren't playable until 1-2+ years after launch anyway

8-Mar-23 10:43am
#267

TalonJedi87

Damn. They are getting the Cyberpunk treatment I see. Starfield is on my list as a back up. There goes that...did they say how long the delay was for? Into 2024 or late 2023?

8-Mar-23 10:44am
#268

Archer

Only a couple months, September.
But I'd bet it gets pushed into 2024 later in the year.

8-Mar-23 10:45am
#269

Kommie

They never had a release date, right? It was just "early 2023" I think

8-Mar-23 10:49am
#270

Archer

Kommie wrote:
They never had a release date, right? It was just "early 2023" I think
On Xbox at least, the store said June 2023. But yeah I don't think they ever said an official date prior to today. Everyone just assumed June because of the Xbox store/app.

8-Mar-23 11:45am
#271

TalonJedi87

I just saw on IGN it says 9/6/23 is the new release date for Starfield...for now that is...

8-Mar-23 1:03pm
#272

Bleed_DukeBlue

It originally had a release date of November 11, 2022. Then, it got delayed in May 2022 to "the first half of 2023" before this recent delay: https://twitter.com/...

Kommie wrote:
They never had a release date, right? It was just "early 2023" I think

8-Mar-23 4:05pm
#273

TalonJedi87

Yep, Starfield is now facing the Cyberpunk 2077 syndrome of delays.

8-Mar-23 4:10pm
#274

Kommie

Was CP massively delayed? It certainly should have been

8-Mar-23 5:14pm
#275

sefjwm

It was, until it wasn't and they released completely broken. Did have relatively high review scores though.

8-Mar-23 7:19pm
#276

incubus421

Yea they delayed it like 3-4 times until the community got all up in arms about it, and then they released a broken game...and everyone got all up in arms about it...

8-Mar-23 8:40pm
#277

TalonJedi87

And now over 2 years after its initial release it apparently plays like it should have at launch with patch 10.02828219299WTFBBQ?

8-Mar-23 9:28pm
#278

Shane12m

I’m totally okay with a starfield September release. It’s nice to have a date now even if it’s later than anticipated. Plenty of awesome looking games coming out this year before September.

Why the comparisons to cyberpunk? Tons of games get delayed. I’m hoping that because they have Xbox money and time they are just letting the game really be special without rushing it and allowing things to be more polished

8-Mar-23 10:50pm
#279

TalonJedi87

I mean let’s be real. I love Skyrim to pieces for example, but those Bethesda games are damn near by law are all buggy as heck at launch and sometimes months to years to come regardless of how many delays occur and that’s just fine. I’m sure it’ll still be fun to play like most of their games are. I’ll just be looking forward of those YouTube videos of all the funny glitches and bugs that happen post launch.

9-Mar-23 3:26pm
#280

Heavyd814life

OP updated with scores for Fatal Frame: Mask of the Lunar Eclipse. It's currently at 69 on Metacritic from 16 reviews.

https://www.metacrit...

9-Mar-23 4:54pm
#281

sefjwm

Suicide Squad delayed to "later"

9-Mar-23 5:24pm
#282

Heavyd814life

Yikes!

9-Mar-23 6:15pm
#283

TalonJedi87

Later tho lmfao Probably to reconstruct that crappy live service model like they did with Gotham Knights. I’m kinda regretting having it on my list now. Oh what I do for Rocksteady. I have to keep remembering it’s really WB Games pulling their strings at the end of the day.

9-Mar-23 6:32pm
#284

PizzaTheHutt

From what I've read it's just to add a little more "polish" and help them not be surrounded by Zelda, Diablo and Final Fantasy at launch. It's far too late into development to change anything about the GaaS stuff.

9-Mar-23 7:41pm
#285

TalonJedi87

Ah okay. So not too long of a wait then. Maybe a late summer release then.

10-Mar-23 7:40pm
#286

Heavyd814life

OP updated witch scores for The Legend of Heroes: Trails to Azure. It's currently at 83 on Metacritic from 10 reviews.

https://www.metacrit...

10-Mar-23 8:17pm
#287

Archer

Wait. How is that game allowed?

10-Mar-23 8:51pm
#288

Kommie

Archer wrote:
Wait. How is that game allowed?
first official NA release is my guess?

10-Mar-23 11:11pm
#289

Heavyd814life

Archer wrote:
Wait. How is that game allowed?
Yeah, someone actually asked about Azure and Reverie a couple of months ago and I confirmed that they both count. We've had this before with Yakuza 6 and Ys 9 and with Fatal Frame this year. As long as it has never been released here in the US it's fair game.

11-Mar-23 6:36am
#290

benstylus

PizzaTheHutt wrote:
From what I've read it's just to add a little more "polish" and help them not be surrounded by Zelda, Diablo and Final Fantasy at launch. It's far too late into development to change anything about the GaaS stuff.
At this point I think they would be better off canceling it, based on how poorly received recent superhero live service games like Avengers and Four People Not Named Batman in a Batman Game were.

Or just start over from concept stage, and reuse any art assets.

Yes I'm sure thr publisher has sunk a significant amount of money already, but comic book IPs are largely timeless. It's nice to get something out to coincide with a major movie release, but Suicide Squad 2 was two years ago so it isn't a great movie tie-in if that's what they were aiming for.

The review scores will scare people away, sales will be lower than the publisher wants, and after grudge-fulfilling their season pass obligations with the minimum effort to not be sued for false advertising, the game will be dead in a year.

Suicide Squad was never an IP that would be popular enough to sustain a long term live service model.

11-Mar-23 7:35am
#291

Kommie

Suicide Squad seemed like it would be a cash-grab live service from the start..... not sure why anyone had hope of anything else.

11-Mar-23 8:35am
#292

benstylus

Kommie wrote:
Suicide Squad seemed like it would be a cash-grab live service from the start..... not sure why anyone had hope of anything else.
Because Rocksteady made some good Batman titles, they hoped they would just make more but with a different comic

11-Mar-23 8:38am
#293

Kommie

Maybe... But I would assume this game was advertised as "OMG PLAY AS MANY DIFFERENT CHARACTERS FROM THE SUICIDE SQUAD" which just screams GaaS. Cause it does.

11-Mar-23 8:41am
#294

benstylus

Has someone coined the term "GaaSlighting" yet? Because they totally should.

11-Mar-23 1:50pm
#295

Shane12m

Heavyd814life wrote:
OP updated witch scores for The Legend of Heroes: Trails to Azure. It's currently at 83 on Metacritic from 10 reviews. https://www.metacrit...
I expected a bit higher from that one. Glad I swapped it out. Not gonna lie, apart from suicide squad I’m feeling really good about my list. Hoping suicide squad just gets delayed to next year at this point

14-Mar-23 12:57pm
#296

Heavyd814life

OP updated with scores for Bayonetta Origins: Cereza and the Lost Demon. It's currently at 80 on Metacritic from 52 reviews. Very solid! Nice pick, @sailorneorune. This wasn't on my radar at all.

https://www.metacrit...

14-Mar-23 1:10pm
#297

Scott

That was one of the last games I removed from my list as I was trying to narrow down to 12.

14-Mar-23 1:27pm
#298

bogo

same. it was just too far away from the gameplay and style that people are used to so i got scared away.

i think it was in between that and horizon for me, so at least i only lost 1 point

14-Mar-23 5:31pm
#299

sailorneorune

I decided on a few oddballs in my lineup for this year. However, I wish I knew back in December that Level-5 would come back with a vengeance so I could have Professor Layton and the New World of Steam on my list.

17-Mar-23 4:26am
#300

Heavyd814life

Reviews are in for Resident Evil 4. It’s currently sitting at 93 on Metacritic from 80 reviews. Looks like Capcom nailed it! I’ll have the OP updated sometime this morning.

https://www.metacrit...

17-Mar-23 7:16am
#301

3hitcombo

Heavyd814life wrote:
Reviews are in for Resident Evil 4. It’s currently sitting at 93 on Metacritic from 80 reviews. Looks like Capcom nailed it! I’ll have the OP updated sometime this morning. https://www.metacrit...
Nice! Playing Resident evil 2 remake I had pretty high hopes for this one actually! Capcom isn’t trying to play with the remakes(even if RE3 was ok)

17-Mar-23 9:52am
#302

Heavyd814life

Okay guys OP should now be up to date. RE4 is still at 93 on Metacritic from 88 reviews.

17-Mar-23 1:09pm
#303

TalonJedi87

93 tho...yipiee! I just watched ACG's review too and usually he titles his review videos "Buy, Wait for Sale or Never Touch" but his RE4R review just says "Buy RE4" haha and this is my all time #1 RE game which will be my 5th or 6th time playing through it and I still can't wait!!!

https://www.youtube....

17-Mar-23 4:41pm
#304

Shane12m

TalonJedi87 wrote:
93 tho...yipiee! I just watched ACG's review too and usually he titles his review videos "Buy, Wait for Sale or Never Touch" but his RE4R review just says "Buy RE4" haha and this is my all time #1 RE game which will be my 5th or 6th time playing through it and I still can't wait!!! https://www.youtube....
He’s actually recently started tagging most of his videos this way lately by saying don’t buy or buy. But yeah, I’m debating if I wanna play when it comes out or wait for the PSVR2 version later. Never played re4 before either

17-Mar-23 4:41pm
#305

Heavyd814life

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