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MCU Discussion - Ant Man Up Next
7-Jun-21 4:10pm
#1
bonham2
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21-Dec-22 3:28pm
#121
theJaw
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bonham2 wrote:
Maybe I'm wrong. Quill looked extra wide. And I thought Drax looked weird with a shirt on. It didn't take away from the special though. I loved Christmas Time is Here at the beginning.
I'm just gonna choose to believe your initial assessment, if only to feel better about my own chunky ass.
10-Jan-23 8:56am
#122
Scott
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New Ant-Man trailer!

https://www.youtube....
10-Jan-23 10:55am
#123
theJaw
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I was thinking Kang would totally off Scott Lang, but now I feel like this trailer is telegraphing it too much. I imagine Pym bites the dust instead, maybe even both Hank AND Janet.

It's wild that the Ant Man movie is going to be the one that sets the MCU off into its huge new direction. After Ant Man and the Wasp, I was worried he'd always be B-tier.
10-Jan-23 11:16am
#124
Scott
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theJaw wrote:
I was thinking Kang would totally off Scott Lang, but now I feel like this trailer is telegraphing it too much.
Same here. I thought it was almost guaranteed, now I think it's unlikely lol

It's wild that the Ant Man movie is going to be the one that sets the MCU off into its huge new direction. After Ant Man and the Wasp, I was worried he'd always be B-tier.
I'm loving it. Ant-Man/Paul Rudd is awesome. I liked Ant-Man and the Wasp more than most people, but Quantumania is definitely going to be on a whole other level.
10-Jan-23 11:22am
#125
theJaw
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@Scott Ant-Man and the Wasp is one of my buddy's favorite MCU movies, I just don't see it haha. I mean it's a good movie for sure but a FAVORITE? I dunno, I liked the first Ant-Man a lot more. But yah, Quantumania seems like it's going to be friggin wild.

Is that MODOK in the trailer? If so, is he still gonna be voiced by Patton Oswalt?
10-Jan-23 11:26am
#126
Scott
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@theJaw I wouldn't quite call it a favorite, but it's #13 in my ranking, close to the top of my 2nd tier. I wish it had a better villain, but the movie is just so much fun anyway.

That is indeed MODOK in the trailer, and he appears to be played by

Corey Stoll (Yellowjacket)


based on the trailer. Most people probably didn't catch that (I didn't, saw it in Reddit comments) so I guess I'll put in a spoiler tag just in case it would ruin somebody's life.
10-Jan-23 11:37am
#127
theJaw
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Awwww phooey. But also that's pretty neat haha.
24-Jan-23 9:30pm
#128
bonham2
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Ant Man is up next. If anyone had told me 10 years ago that we would be about to get Ant Man 3, I would have called them batsh*t crazy.
25-Jan-23 8:25am
#129
Best1989
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Yeah, I like how back when Ant-Man was first announced everybody took it as a joke, and in reality he has been involved with a lot of pivotal stuff in the MCU.
25-Jan-23 11:23am
#130
beavis
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Black Panther will be on Disney Plus on Feb 1. Looking forward to seeing that.
25-Jan-23 11:32am
#131
theJaw
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I look forward to re-watching it with the lady because my theater-going experience was pretty awful for that movie. Folks who are 6'6 should NOT be crammed into tiny theater seats for 3 hours, I can tell ya that. Hoping that being able to sprawl out on the couch will help me enjoy it a bit more.
25-Jan-23 12:19pm
#132
Scott
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I'm so pumped for Quantumania, I hope it delivers as well as it seems it's going to from the trailers!

We've still been working through our re-watch. We finished up Endgame over the weekend. We're skipping Far From Home because we re-watched that one just before No Way Home, so next up is Black Widow and we'll officially be in Phase 4! I'm glad we'll be completely caught up in time for Quantumania. Also, I'm really excited to watch all of the Phase 4 movies again. Other than No Way Home, we've only seen each of them once, and we haven't seen Wakanda Forever at all.
25-Jan-23 3:55pm
#133
bonham2
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I wonder what everybody's take is on Phase 4 as a whole. Some people seem to hate it and think the MCU is doomed. Others think they're just setting stuff up.

I'm somewhere in the middle. I think MOST of the shows have been unnecessary, although I absolutely loved WandaVision. Loki was really good too, and I liked Hawkeye for what it was. I feel like everything has just been wildly inconsistent. Dr. Strange and Spiderman felt like MCU of old. Thor and She Hulk were goofy. Eternals and Shang Chi just felt out of place. Werewolf By Night felt REALLY out of place. I want to believe they have some grand plan to pull this all together like Endgame, but I don't think they do.
25-Jan-23 4:58pm
#134
theJaw
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Shang Chi felt out of place? Huuuh? It felt like the only straight-forward MCU movie of the bunch to me. Eternals, I agree. That movie wasn't good, and seemed like it was from a different universe. It felt like an old mid-2000s X-Men sequel. That said, I still think it'll lead to SOMEthing... they can't just ignore the celestial head popping out of the ocean.

I liked Phase 4 for the most part. There were like 2 or 3 projects that I didn't like... Eternals, Moon Knight, and Hawkeye introduced potential halfway through and then fumbled it entirely. But that's been the case for all the phases, imo. I thought Iron Man 2 was bad, I thought Iron Man 3 and Age of Ultron were disappointing, didn't love Civil War, etc etc. Par the course. There were just so many projects in Phase 4, and the pandemic definitely had an effect, so it was definitely a little unbalanced compared to other phases.

I honestly think some folks just got SO attached to the MCU for finally adapting this great source material correctly to film, and I totally understand that. I'm right there too. But I also feel like those same folks gave a little too much credit to the MCU overall to the point that anything "new" or off the beaten path will be considered a disappointment. Other than Shang Chi, Multiverse of Madness was my favorite of the bunch, and that didn't even hit 80% on RT. Love and Thunder was NOT as bad as some folks pretend it was. Ms Marvel ruled, She Hulk was fun, etc. It's just that they all took different routes than the normal MCU blueprint. They let filmmakers have a bit more control, and I feel that was a good thing, but it seems the majority of MCU fans have rubbed up against it in a negative way. Oh well... it'll be another Star Wars situation where we're gonna be stuck with the status quo and either decide to get over that and put up with it or stop watching. I'll obv put up with it because that status quo is fun, but I also appreciated this little experimental phase.
26-Jan-23 9:25am
#135
Scott
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I loved Phase 4. I prefer it over Phases 1 & 2 for sure, and it's really close to Phase 3. The main reason I would give Phase 3 the slight edge is Infinity War/Endgame. But, those movies were the culmination of 10 years of buildup, so of course they were extremely impactful. I know most won't admit it, but I firmly believe that most people's expectations have been too high after those movies, so now anytime Marvel puts out something that's just good, it's viewed as bad because it's so much less than IW/EG. On top of that, once hate starts to roll in for a thing, there are always people that like to join the bandwagon by hating on that thing too! The anti "anything I perceive as remotely woke" crowd isn't helping matters either.

For me, the only disappointing thing about Phase 4 was that it didn't have an Avengers film like each other phase before it, but that's ok. It did seem a bit "all over the place" with them introducing so many new characters. But, it was clear to me from the start that they were already beginning to set up for the next big thing, and this was confirmed when they announced Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars, so I'm 100% on board with what they're doing. I also love that they've been trying new and different things. This is keeping the MCU fresh IMO. I'm a little more mixed on the shows. I only loved WandaVision, Loki, and Moon Knight, but I still enjoyed all of the others except for Ms Marvel. The shows is where they've done the most experimenting with different styles and whatnot, and I'm down with that. For the movies, I'd say Shang-Chi, No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness, and Love and Thunder were all great, and Black Widow and Eternals were just ok (still haven't seen Wakanda Forever).

I think the MCU is in a great place right now. I'm so excited to see how things continue to unfold as they keep building toward Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars. Maybe they'll even top Infinity War and Endgame, who knows? I try to just ignore the haters these days and hope that they'll get tired and go away so that the rest of us can enjoy all of the awesome Marvel content we're getting!
26-Jan-23 12:15pm
#136
beavis
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I'm a MCU mark at this point, so I obviously loved Phase 4. I might be the only person that seemed to think The Eternals was a top 10 MCU movie and I'm really looking forward to a continuation of that story and those characters. I've enjoyed all the shows, but it does feel like they have been setting up Phase 5 for so long I have kind of forgot some of the details (especially Wandavision which I loved). My top 5 from Phase 4 are
5. Shang Chi
4. The Eternals
3. Loki
2. Wandavision
1. Spider Man No Way Home

I don't really consider Werewolf to be a full part of the MCU, but I didn't think What If was either and it has actually played into other stories a bit. I can't explain how much I loved Spider Man No Way Home. If we lose Tom Holland as SM it will be a shame, he has embodied that role so well. It also made me realize I would have enjoyed Toby Maguire more as SM had he played a more mature version of him (I hated the 00 SM movies). It also offered a great redemption for Andrew Garfields SM who I thought was underrated.

Of the upcoming movie and tv series in Phase 5 the only one I'm not really looking forward to is Agatha. It feels like that wasn't a planned series but sprung from the viral hit of the character (which was great, but I don't know how you are going to make a series on it).
26-Jan-23 12:23pm
#137
theJaw
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I loved Werewolf By Night. One of my favorite aspects of Phase 4. It totally is 100% a part of the MCU, there was something that connected… I can’t remember at the moment, but yah it WAS presented differently a lot differently so I feel ya.
26-Jan-23 12:28pm
#138
beavis
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theJaw wrote:
I loved Werewolf By Night. One of my favorite aspects of Phase 4. It totally is 100% a part of the MCU, there was something that connected… I can’t remember at the moment, but yah it WAS presented differently a lot differently so I feel ya.
I need to go back and watch it again, I was half paying attention when I watched it and probably missed that.
26-Jan-23 1:22pm
#139
Scott
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beavis wrote:
I'm a MCU mark at this point, so I obviously loved Phase 4. I might be the only person that seemed to think The Eternals was a top 10 MCU movie and I'm really looking forward to a continuation of that story and those characters. I've enjoyed all the shows, but it does feel like they have been setting up Phase 5 for so long I have kind of forgot some of the details (especially Wandavision which I loved). My top 5 from Phase 4 are 5. Shang Chi 4. The Eternals 3. Loki 2. Wandavision 1. Spider Man No Way Home
I did like Eternals, much more than most people seemed to, but it's still on the bottom end of my ranking.

I don't really consider Werewolf to be a full part of the MCU, but I didn't think What If was either and it has actually played into other stories a bit.
I do acknowledge that Werewolf by Night is part of the MCU, but it felt very separate from everything else. The fact that they labeled it as a "special presentation" made it seem like it was more of a side project, not something that was an important part of the core MCU. I loved it though. I don't remember a specific thing that connected it to the MCU, but it's been a few months since I watched it.

I can't explain how much I loved Spider Man No Way Home.
Same. My hype for that movie was insane, up there with Infinity War and Endgame. To prepare for it, me and my family went back and re-watched all of the Spider-Man movies. Even my kids who don't generally get "hyped" for something were extremely excited to see it. We went on opening night, and had a really good crowd cheering at all the big moments and everything. It's one of my best memories.

If we lose Tom Holland as SM it will be a shame, he has embodied that role so well. It also made me realize I would have enjoyed Toby Maguire more as SM had he played a more mature version of him (I hated the 00 SM movies). It also offered a great redemption for Andrew Garfields SM who I thought was underrated.
I loved Tobey as Spiderman, but I did enjoy the more mature version of him that we got in NWH. I also loved Andrew Garfield getting to come back and have some big moments. I always loved his Spider-Man and hated that his movies didn't do as well.

Of the upcoming movie and tv series in Phase 5 the only one I'm not really looking forward to is Agatha. It feels like that wasn't a planned series but sprung from the viral hit of the character (which was great, but I don't know how you are going to make a series on it).
For me, the only movie I'm not looking forward to is Blade, simply because I never saw the original. I plan to catch up on that one soon, but I don't know how well it's going to hold up so many years later. I'm torn on New World Order. I want to be thrilled about another Captain America movie, but TF&TWS just didn't convince me he's going to be a good Cap. Most of it is the lack of a super soldier serum, honestly. I wish he had ended up getting that in the show. Also, I feel like Sam was great as a side/backup character, but I don't think he can carry the lead. I'll definitely give it a chance though, and hope to love it. I'm super excited for Quantumania, GotG3, and Thunderbolts, plus The Marvels should be pretty fun. As for the shows, I'm a little more mixed on them. I'm definitely excited for Loki S2. I had almost no interest in Secret Invasion until the trailer dropped, then suddenly I was very excited. I loved Agatha so I'm looking forward to that one as well. I'm only mildly interested in Ironheart and Echo. I want to be excited for Daredevil, I liked him in She-Hulk. But, I still need to watch his original show to get up to speed on the character.
26-Jan-23 4:45pm
#140
bonham2
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The original Blade Trilogy is fun, but the visuals are VERY rough. Some of it would be difficult to pull off even today.

The Netflix shows were a mixed bag, but Daredevil Seasons 1 & 3 were great. I disliked 2 due to the.Punished and Karen Page story, but it's still a decent season. Jessica Jones Season 1 was great. The rest was ok. I really wish The Defenders was better. I think we need a street level Avengers where the universe isn't always at stake, and The Defenders would have been a good place for that. Maybe it can still happen on the shows. Daredevil, Spiderman, Kingpin, She Hulk, Hawkeye, and Kate Bishop hands all interacted in some way together, so there is hope.
26-Jan-23 4:51pm
#141
bonham2
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theJaw wrote:
Shang Chi felt out of place? Huuuh? It felt like the only straight-forward MCU movie of the bunch to me.
I liked Shang Chi. I just thought the ending was a little far fetched. I was 100% on board until a giant flying dragon came out of the mountain. Other than that, I'll agree that it wasn't that out of place.

I think they had such an impossible task after Endgame. That was 10 years in the making, and they are basically starting over again. I wasn't a huge fan of Phase 1 until later on when I could go back and appreciate it all. Hopefully, I'll feel the same way about Phase 4 once it all starts coming together in the next few Avengers movies.

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