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2-Oct-19 7:16pm
#1 Sun
Other thread was closed...so here we are.
Anyone else excited for AEW Dynamite tonight?
#1 Sun
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Other thread was closed...so here we are.
Anyone else excited for AEW Dynamite tonight?
22-Nov-21 1:48am
#3 theJaw
Couldn’t sleep so I started SS. I cannot believe they threw away the history between The Bar to have Sheamus win a spot on the SS team via interference against his old pal Cesaro. Sheamus is heel, and in WWE that means any previous relationship is void. Silly.
That said, the Men’s SS match has been entertaining so far, and Becky/Charlotte was VERY good. Not a bad show so far, despite the awful buildup.
#3 theJaw
Couldn’t sleep so I started SS. I cannot believe they threw away the history between The Bar to have Sheamus win a spot on the SS team via interference against his old pal Cesaro. Sheamus is heel, and in WWE that means any previous relationship is void. Silly.
That said, the Men’s SS match has been entertaining so far, and Becky/Charlotte was VERY good. Not a bad show so far, despite the awful buildup.
22-Nov-21 11:58am
#4 PizzaTheHutt
What was the deal with that whole gold egg gimmick? During the backstage segments I could barely understand a word Vince was saying (it has been that way for the past couple of years, his voice is so low and gravelly now), so I gave up trying to make sense of any of it and would just check my phone or something whenever he came up on screen.
#4 PizzaTheHutt
What was the deal with that whole gold egg gimmick? During the backstage segments I could barely understand a word Vince was saying (it has been that way for the past couple of years, his voice is so low and gravelly now), so I gave up trying to make sense of any of it and would just check my phone or something whenever he came up on screen.
23-Nov-21 3:17pm
#5 PizzaTheHutt
You've probably read about that fan that hopped the rail to attack Seth Rollins last night, just a crappy situation overall because the dude is clearly "not all there".
If this stuff is true with all the screenshots being leaked from his social media, apparently this goes back to 2019 where he was scammed/catfished by a fake Seth Rollins account online that screwed him out of hundreds of dollars and got his girlfriend arrested when she tried to cash a fake check that the scammer sent.
#5 PizzaTheHutt
You've probably read about that fan that hopped the rail to attack Seth Rollins last night, just a crappy situation overall because the dude is clearly "not all there".
If this stuff is true with all the screenshots being leaked from his social media, apparently this goes back to 2019 where he was scammed/catfished by a fake Seth Rollins account online that screwed him out of hundreds of dollars and got his girlfriend arrested when she tried to cash a fake check that the scammer sent.
24-Nov-21 10:38pm
#6 Chad
He'd be one hell of a heel if he actually WAS the person ripping off the fan. Make it so, Vince!
#6 Chad
He'd be one hell of a heel if he actually WAS the person ripping off the fan. Make it so, Vince!
2-Dec-21 4:43pm
#9 PizzaTheHutt
lazarro wrote:
Anyway anyone excited about the so called nxt 2.0
I still watch every week. Some of the changes weren't for the better (I dislike how the announcers have to keep plugging what's happening on the main roster, I swear they weren't doing that before), but the actual in-ring product is still solid. I'll keep watching until it's not.
RAW, SmackDown, Dynamite, I usually just keep on as background noise. But NXT, thanks to Peacock, I can watch when I want to so that is pretty much the only weekly 'rassling show I will sit there and pay full attention to.
#9 PizzaTheHutt
lazarro wrote:
Anyway anyone excited about the so called nxt 2.0
I still watch every week. Some of the changes weren't for the better (I dislike how the announcers have to keep plugging what's happening on the main roster, I swear they weren't doing that before), but the actual in-ring product is still solid. I'll keep watching until it's not.
RAW, SmackDown, Dynamite, I usually just keep on as background noise. But NXT, thanks to Peacock, I can watch when I want to so that is pretty much the only weekly 'rassling show I will sit there and pay full attention to.
2-Dec-21 6:36pm
#10 theJaw
Where it was once complete cards full of good matches, NXT is now a one match show most weeks. Like all of WWEs programming. Not worth the time imo.
#10 theJaw
Where it was once complete cards full of good matches, NXT is now a one match show most weeks. Like all of WWEs programming. Not worth the time imo.
3-Dec-21 12:25pm
#13 theJaw
I forget which recently released wrestler said this but when asked “where do you see WWE in 2 years?” she simply tweeted “Sold.”
Does sorta feel like it’s looking that way, and people are starting to pay attention to Vince’s shady past as a crapty dude so we’ll see what happens.
#13 theJaw
I forget which recently released wrestler said this but when asked “where do you see WWE in 2 years?” she simply tweeted “Sold.”
Does sorta feel like it’s looking that way, and people are starting to pay attention to Vince’s shady past as a crapty dude so we’ll see what happens.
3-Dec-21 1:23pm
#14 lazarro
You know wwe can be better than what they are doing. I’m not gonna rsstate what has been said but if the company wants to put out a trashy product then let the true wwe fans watch the junk
There’s a reason why ratings change every week based on who watches what
I just feel aew is doing a better job than wwe
I understand some stuff has to be scripted to a point
Problem is as long as Vince is in charge wwe product will decline. And if you get unhappy talent then things start to trickle down from it
#14 lazarro
You know wwe can be better than what they are doing. I’m not gonna rsstate what has been said but if the company wants to put out a trashy product then let the true wwe fans watch the junk
There’s a reason why ratings change every week based on who watches what
I just feel aew is doing a better job than wwe
I understand some stuff has to be scripted to a point
Problem is as long as Vince is in charge wwe product will decline. And if you get unhappy talent then things start to trickle down from it
3-Dec-21 1:36pm
#15 PizzaTheHutt
To be fair, ratings for the business in general are in the crapter. Not enough people care anymore.
My expectations with NXT moving to a different night was that it and AEW would both reach 1 million viewers or close to it.
NXT hasn't reached 1 million yet but while AEW has, they're not doing it as consistently as I hoped (I think only once or twice since Punk's debut). Both shows are usually getting what they already were during the Wednesday Night War, neither has grown much at all without having to share a time slot anymore. It seems the fans had already made up their mind which "side" they were on when they were head to head.
#15 PizzaTheHutt
To be fair, ratings for the business in general are in the crapter. Not enough people care anymore.
My expectations with NXT moving to a different night was that it and AEW would both reach 1 million viewers or close to it.
NXT hasn't reached 1 million yet but while AEW has, they're not doing it as consistently as I hoped (I think only once or twice since Punk's debut). Both shows are usually getting what they already were during the Wednesday Night War, neither has grown much at all without having to share a time slot anymore. It seems the fans had already made up their mind which "side" they were on when they were head to head.
3-Dec-21 1:41pm
#16 theJaw
Ratings are all relative now, it isn’t the 90s anymore. It all depends solely on what the networks want. Fox and USA have openly been upset with WWE’s performance (being such an established brand for so long brings certain expectations). Meanwhile TNT is very happy with their not even 3 year old program’s performance considering it’s already comparable to WWE’s (which is sorta wild).
#16 theJaw
Ratings are all relative now, it isn’t the 90s anymore. It all depends solely on what the networks want. Fox and USA have openly been upset with WWE’s performance (being such an established brand for so long brings certain expectations). Meanwhile TNT is very happy with their not even 3 year old program’s performance considering it’s already comparable to WWE’s (which is sorta wild).
3-Dec-21 1:46pm
#17 PizzaTheHutt
Hopefully they keep that momentum when they're booted to TBS next month (which is in more homes than TNT).
#17 PizzaTheHutt
Hopefully they keep that momentum when they're booted to TBS next month (which is in more homes than TNT).
3-Dec-21 1:55pm
#18 theJaw
Yeah, or at the very least stay consistent. TBS is also under the Turner umbrella so as long as they keep this trajectory, they should be alright.
#18 theJaw
Yeah, or at the very least stay consistent. TBS is also under the Turner umbrella so as long as they keep this trajectory, they should be alright.
3-Dec-21 2:26pm
#19 lazarro
I just think having split brands at time ago was a good and fresh creative idea
I just think maybe it’s time to junk the idea
If talent is appearing on both shows because of certain script aspects go back to having two general type of shows
That was the initial idea
Having drafts for both brands is one thing. Being successful and purpose execution has been flawed
Releasing people just because you wanted them not to be on rival company when signed in the first place is a bad excuse of financial business
Here’s what I would do if I was in charge
Feel free to comment
1. Keep nxt as a developmental show for developing talent it’s almost a clone of aew dark
2. Ditch main event matches and make a recap best of the week programming show
3. You want to separate talent into brand shows get rid of some of the backstage interviews and skits it’s pointless to keep doing the same skits with same talent
Have interviews in place of either before or after the matched
Yes I know your gonna say there doing that but is it productive necessity.
Again just my opinion
Again part of it is the scripted writing
In aew they don’t have prewritten promos which wwe needs to quit doing
You think nxt talent aren’t going to be the only ones complaining.
Anyway you either like my ideas or you just don’t bash hard them just my opinion
#19 lazarro
I just think having split brands at time ago was a good and fresh creative idea
I just think maybe it’s time to junk the idea
If talent is appearing on both shows because of certain script aspects go back to having two general type of shows
That was the initial idea
Having drafts for both brands is one thing. Being successful and purpose execution has been flawed
Releasing people just because you wanted them not to be on rival company when signed in the first place is a bad excuse of financial business
Here’s what I would do if I was in charge
Feel free to comment
1. Keep nxt as a developmental show for developing talent it’s almost a clone of aew dark
2. Ditch main event matches and make a recap best of the week programming show
3. You want to separate talent into brand shows get rid of some of the backstage interviews and skits it’s pointless to keep doing the same skits with same talent
Have interviews in place of either before or after the matched
Yes I know your gonna say there doing that but is it productive necessity.
Again just my opinion
Again part of it is the scripted writing
In aew they don’t have prewritten promos which wwe needs to quit doing
You think nxt talent aren’t going to be the only ones complaining.
Anyway you either like my ideas or you just don’t bash hard them just my opinion
3-Dec-21 3:44pm
#20 PizzaTheHutt
lazarro wrote:
I just think having split brands at time ago was a good and fresh creative idea I just think maybe it’s time to junk the idea
I'm sure I've said this in here before because I always say this when this topic is brought up, but the original 2002 brand split was a good idea and they executed it well. If you wanted to see Cruiserweights you had to watch SmackDown (or Velocity, which for a while was known between my friends and I as "The Paul London Show" because he was killing it every week on there). If you wanted to see the Womens title defended, you had to watch RAW. I preferred how they did it in the beginning where there was one Undisputed World Champion who had to defend against challengers from both brands and the same for the Tag Titles.
Eventually it started to feel a little watered down when they added a second set of tag titles and another world title. And now it's even further watered down, because both shows look and feel exactly the same, except one show is one hour longer and has a title that random dudes that creative has nothing better for will chase after for some reason.
I do give credit to Heyman when he was "in charge" (quotations used because in the end we know Vince is the one in charge of everything) of RAW's creative. The Mexican dudes were getting much more TV time, so were guys like Ricochet and Viking Raiders, and that seemed to come to a halt when he was removed from his position.
#20 PizzaTheHutt
lazarro wrote:
I just think having split brands at time ago was a good and fresh creative idea I just think maybe it’s time to junk the idea
I'm sure I've said this in here before because I always say this when this topic is brought up, but the original 2002 brand split was a good idea and they executed it well. If you wanted to see Cruiserweights you had to watch SmackDown (or Velocity, which for a while was known between my friends and I as "The Paul London Show" because he was killing it every week on there). If you wanted to see the Womens title defended, you had to watch RAW. I preferred how they did it in the beginning where there was one Undisputed World Champion who had to defend against challengers from both brands and the same for the Tag Titles.
Eventually it started to feel a little watered down when they added a second set of tag titles and another world title. And now it's even further watered down, because both shows look and feel exactly the same, except one show is one hour longer and has a title that random dudes that creative has nothing better for will chase after for some reason.
I do give credit to Heyman when he was "in charge" (quotations used because in the end we know Vince is the one in charge of everything) of RAW's creative. The Mexican dudes were getting much more TV time, so were guys like Ricochet and Viking Raiders, and that seemed to come to a halt when he was removed from his position.
4-Dec-21 1:20am
#21 theJaw
The Brand split has been fairly meaningless for a long while now unfortunately. It's even worse because each year it seems like they draw attention to the fact that split isn't really relevant, thinking that'll make THIS year's draft special mean something more.
It's silly. I agree it did work at one point for a few years but they definitely effed up with it in recent years.
And on the subject of AEW Dark - I don't look at that as "developmental" and I don't think AEW does either. Sure, in some sense it "develops" a character's win/loss ranking and allows them to build their character up more, but it's not a show meant to showcase talent who are only "developing" their talent in general, which is what NXT 2.0 seems to be stepping into the realm of. On Dark and Elevation, they have actually competitive matches between wrestlers who are well know on the indy scene without pulling the WWE crap of pretending they never existed before they got on the card. The commentary notes their histories and all that good, normal stuff. They don't treat them like complete unknowns, even if they are rookies. That said, Dark is definitely a place for signed AEW talent to pick up obvious wins against these other wrestlers and build up a record, regardless of their histories.
#21 theJaw
The Brand split has been fairly meaningless for a long while now unfortunately. It's even worse because each year it seems like they draw attention to the fact that split isn't really relevant, thinking that'll make THIS year's draft special mean something more.
It's silly. I agree it did work at one point for a few years but they definitely effed up with it in recent years.
And on the subject of AEW Dark - I don't look at that as "developmental" and I don't think AEW does either. Sure, in some sense it "develops" a character's win/loss ranking and allows them to build their character up more, but it's not a show meant to showcase talent who are only "developing" their talent in general, which is what NXT 2.0 seems to be stepping into the realm of. On Dark and Elevation, they have actually competitive matches between wrestlers who are well know on the indy scene without pulling the WWE crap of pretending they never existed before they got on the card. The commentary notes their histories and all that good, normal stuff. They don't treat them like complete unknowns, even if they are rookies. That said, Dark is definitely a place for signed AEW talent to pick up obvious wins against these other wrestlers and build up a record, regardless of their histories.
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