The Great Star War (Star Wars Discussion)
22-Jun-18 9:29pm
#1 theJaw
The great debate... Star Wars. I can feel @Jeffro and plenty of others punching holes through their computers whenever a large Star Wars discussion breaks out... so in response to a few posts that were left in the movie discussion thread, I figured it'd make sense to just move it here and carry on any Star Wars analyzing/debating to this thread.
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I urge folks that if they want to talk anything Star Wars to do it here - of course unless it's solely to share your opinion/review on a movie, then the Movie thread works. I'd obviously rather this not be the case but I don't want to clog up the other thread. Let's try to keep this discussion story-driven and not politics-driven but heck, I can't control you animals.
May the Force be with us. inb4 move to politics.
#1 theJaw
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The great debate... Star Wars. I can feel @Jeffro and plenty of others punching holes through their computers whenever a large Star Wars discussion breaks out... so in response to a few posts that were left in the movie discussion thread, I figured it'd make sense to just move it here and carry on any Star Wars analyzing/debating to this thread.
image
I urge folks that if they want to talk anything Star Wars to do it here - of course unless it's solely to share your opinion/review on a movie, then the Movie thread works. I'd obviously rather this not be the case but I don't want to clog up the other thread. Let's try to keep this discussion story-driven and not politics-driven but heck, I can't control you animals.
May the Force be with us. inb4 move to politics.
18-Mar-20 11:41am
#121 Kommie
I am aware of some of the things in that movie. Maybe you should look her up, she's probably in jail at this point. I'd of ran too.
#121 Kommie
I am aware of some of the things in that movie. Maybe you should look her up, she's probably in jail at this point. I'd of ran too.
18-Mar-20 3:15pm
#122 Sid_Ceaser
From what I've been told, she gained a massive amount of weight, became lesbian for a period of time, went straight, then got pregnant and had a kid.
bullet dodged.
#122 Sid_Ceaser
From what I've been told, she gained a massive amount of weight, became lesbian for a period of time, went straight, then got pregnant and had a kid.
bullet dodged.
20-Mar-20 7:28pm
#123 theJaw
https://screenrant.c...
Rosario Dawson is officially live action Ahsoka Tano in The Mandalorian Season 2. Great casting, really looking forward to this.
#123 theJaw
https://screenrant.c...
Rosario Dawson is officially live action Ahsoka Tano in The Mandalorian Season 2. Great casting, really looking forward to this.
20-Mar-20 7:31pm
#124 Kommie
I want to watch Clone Wars TV series, but it's PT era and there's a lot of episodes.
#124 Kommie
I want to watch Clone Wars TV series, but it's PT era and there's a lot of episodes.
20-Mar-20 7:35pm
#125 theJaw
Kommie wrote:
I want to watch Clone Wars TV series, but it's PT era and there's a lot of episodes.
I honestly can’t really get into it. I’ve tried a couple times. What I’ve seen is better than the PT for sure, and Ahsoka does rule, but I’m with you. A fan editor made movies out of the seasons, so I’ve watched those.
But I love Rebels, and the crap Ahsoka does in that show is very badass. Real fun character, and Rosario Dawson seems like she’d be perfect for a live action take.
#125 theJaw
Kommie wrote:
I want to watch Clone Wars TV series, but it's PT era and there's a lot of episodes.
I honestly can’t really get into it. I’ve tried a couple times. What I’ve seen is better than the PT for sure, and Ahsoka does rule, but I’m with you. A fan editor made movies out of the seasons, so I’ve watched those.
But I love Rebels, and the crap Ahsoka does in that show is very badass. Real fun character, and Rosario Dawson seems like she’d be perfect for a live action take.
29-Mar-20 3:58pm
#126 theJaw
This Youtube channel I have been following recently posted a new video breaking down the entire Colin Trevorrow Episode IX "Duel of the Fates" script and put the breakdown to neat animations. Probably the closest we'll get to actually seeing what was being planned.
I read the script and really enjoyed it, so was happy to see someone do something like this. Obviously doesn’t get into every fine detail but if you wanted to know the general story but don’t feel like reading the entire script, this works nice. He obviously makes it a little comedic and really does fast forward through a lot of the bits that I loved from the script, but whatev.
https://www.youtube....
#126 theJaw
This Youtube channel I have been following recently posted a new video breaking down the entire Colin Trevorrow Episode IX "Duel of the Fates" script and put the breakdown to neat animations. Probably the closest we'll get to actually seeing what was being planned.
I read the script and really enjoyed it, so was happy to see someone do something like this. Obviously doesn’t get into every fine detail but if you wanted to know the general story but don’t feel like reading the entire script, this works nice. He obviously makes it a little comedic and really does fast forward through a lot of the bits that I loved from the script, but whatev.
https://www.youtube....
8-Nov-20 2:40pm
#127 theJaw
I started a New Journey + on Jedi Fallen Order today. I missed playing this game tbh. It was only last year but I have fond memories of playing this. Restarting it has brought me right back to when I was first experiencing the game. It's not perfect by any means (there are plenty of changes I'd like to see implemented in a sequel), and some areas/story beats are definite slogs to get through (having to go to Ilum to make another lightsaber towards the end comes to mind), but I still really love the game.
Anyhow just wanted to reopen this thread considering Mandalorian is back and it's real easy for me to clog up the Movie Review thread with SW talk.
Plop some random discussion topics in here, wouldn't mind some nice SW conversation.
#127 theJaw
I started a New Journey + on Jedi Fallen Order today. I missed playing this game tbh. It was only last year but I have fond memories of playing this. Restarting it has brought me right back to when I was first experiencing the game. It's not perfect by any means (there are plenty of changes I'd like to see implemented in a sequel), and some areas/story beats are definite slogs to get through (having to go to Ilum to make another lightsaber towards the end comes to mind), but I still really love the game.
Anyhow just wanted to reopen this thread considering Mandalorian is back and it's real easy for me to clog up the Movie Review thread with SW talk.
Plop some random discussion topics in here, wouldn't mind some nice SW conversation.
8-Nov-20 3:39pm
#129 Scott
I'm hoping for more SW movies. I loved the new trilogy, and The Mandolorian has been great.
I definitely want to play Jedl Fallen Order soon.
#129 Scott
I'm hoping for more SW movies. I loved the new trilogy, and The Mandolorian has been great.
I definitely want to play Jedl Fallen Order soon.
8-Nov-20 5:09pm
#130 theJaw
Kommie wrote:
Is there any new info on new movies or have "fans" ruined the movies?
I'm sure there will be a new trilogy eventually. I imagine they'll whip a bunch of money toward at least Daisy Ridley and have Rey's adventure continue, though I feel like it's unlikely Oscar Isaac or John Boyega would come back. Maybe Isaac but Boyega is definitely over SW. I'd be interested to see a new adventure with Rey where they wouldn't need to incorporate the older legacy characters as long as they didn't just rehash the same arc as the past 3 trilogies. Wishful thinking but it'd be neat.
To be honest though, after the first episode of Mandalorian Season 2, I almost feel like ongoing TV is where Star Wars should exist primarily. Obv have my issues with the stop-and-go pace of the story, but if they did an epic Jedi-centric story that focused on lore, they could put out some quality drama TV. They have no issue making it look visually pleasing, so I'm almost to the point where I don't need more movies if they start pumping out consistently good stories on the TV level.
Scott wrote:
I definitely want to play Jedl Fallen Order soon.
You definitely should, surprised you haven't yet. It's a real fun time, if a bit short.
#130 theJaw
Kommie wrote:
Is there any new info on new movies or have "fans" ruined the movies?
I'm sure there will be a new trilogy eventually. I imagine they'll whip a bunch of money toward at least Daisy Ridley and have Rey's adventure continue, though I feel like it's unlikely Oscar Isaac or John Boyega would come back. Maybe Isaac but Boyega is definitely over SW. I'd be interested to see a new adventure with Rey where they wouldn't need to incorporate the older legacy characters as long as they didn't just rehash the same arc as the past 3 trilogies. Wishful thinking but it'd be neat.
To be honest though, after the first episode of Mandalorian Season 2, I almost feel like ongoing TV is where Star Wars should exist primarily. Obv have my issues with the stop-and-go pace of the story, but if they did an epic Jedi-centric story that focused on lore, they could put out some quality drama TV. They have no issue making it look visually pleasing, so I'm almost to the point where I don't need more movies if they start pumping out consistently good stories on the TV level.
Scott wrote:
I definitely want to play Jedl Fallen Order soon.
You definitely should, surprised you haven't yet. It's a real fun time, if a bit short.
8-Nov-20 6:18pm
#131 Grenadier
They keep announcing new movies that are in development, with new writers and new casts, and then they get cancelled when the producers/writers move on to new projects. So nothing is officially in the pipeline right now, at least not publicly.
#131 Grenadier
They keep announcing new movies that are in development, with new writers and new casts, and then they get cancelled when the producers/writers move on to new projects. So nothing is officially in the pipeline right now, at least not publicly.
8-Nov-20 7:13pm
#132 theJaw
There actually are movies in development, the next is slated for 2023 and is going to be directed by Taika Waititi. Very much looking forward to seeing what Taika can do with a full Star Wars movie. I haven’t disliked a single thing I’ve seen from him and after the Mandalorian Season 1 finale I have faith he’s got good stuff up his sleeve.
Also Rian Johnson’s planned trilogy (heavily rumored to take place during the equivalent of the KOTOR era) hasn’t been officially cancelled and is apparently still moving forward. Whether or not that actually happens remains to be seen but there hasn’t been any news contradictory to it still happening. Big fan of Johnson so I’ll be seeing those whenever they drop (if they drop at all).
Kevin Feige and JD Dillard were also brought in to develop movies, but little to no details on those are out yet.
All this info comes from this page, posted like 2 weeks ago: https://www.gamesrad...
Honestly that roster of filmmakers has my faith in the future of Star Wars movies high. Looking forward to seeing what comes next.
#132 theJaw
There actually are movies in development, the next is slated for 2023 and is going to be directed by Taika Waititi. Very much looking forward to seeing what Taika can do with a full Star Wars movie. I haven’t disliked a single thing I’ve seen from him and after the Mandalorian Season 1 finale I have faith he’s got good stuff up his sleeve.
Also Rian Johnson’s planned trilogy (heavily rumored to take place during the equivalent of the KOTOR era) hasn’t been officially cancelled and is apparently still moving forward. Whether or not that actually happens remains to be seen but there hasn’t been any news contradictory to it still happening. Big fan of Johnson so I’ll be seeing those whenever they drop (if they drop at all).
Kevin Feige and JD Dillard were also brought in to develop movies, but little to no details on those are out yet.
All this info comes from this page, posted like 2 weeks ago: https://www.gamesrad...
Honestly that roster of filmmakers has my faith in the future of Star Wars movies high. Looking forward to seeing what comes next.
8-Nov-20 7:34pm
#133 ft763
I can't seem to accept the new trilogy. Episode 7 is essentially a parody of Episode 4. Droid lands on a desert planet carrying essential info that would collapse the bad guys, a father figure gets killed, Han Solo gets chased by gangsters who he owes a debt to, planet-destroying superweapon gets blown up by X-wings...the list goes on. Also what's with Kylo stealing Bane's voice in the Nolan Batman trilogy? And how does a conditioned stormtrooper suddenly "forget" his training and become an ally to the resistance??
#133 ft763
I can't seem to accept the new trilogy. Episode 7 is essentially a parody of Episode 4. Droid lands on a desert planet carrying essential info that would collapse the bad guys, a father figure gets killed, Han Solo gets chased by gangsters who he owes a debt to, planet-destroying superweapon gets blown up by X-wings...the list goes on. Also what's with Kylo stealing Bane's voice in the Nolan Batman trilogy? And how does a conditioned stormtrooper suddenly "forget" his training and become an ally to the resistance??
8-Nov-20 7:39pm
#134 Kommie
At this point I just view them as Sci Fantasy entertainment. Cause that's what it is. Nothing about these movies is realistic.
#134 Kommie
At this point I just view them as Sci Fantasy entertainment. Cause that's what it is. Nothing about these movies is realistic.
8-Nov-20 7:43pm
#135 ft763
Nothing about ANY movie is realistic! Like in Predator, the team can apparently spend 5 minutes mowing down the trees without running out of ammo. Well...granted, the M134 chaingun had a seemingly bottomless magazine, but for the remaining weapons...
#135 ft763
Nothing about ANY movie is realistic! Like in Predator, the team can apparently spend 5 minutes mowing down the trees without running out of ammo. Well...granted, the M134 chaingun had a seemingly bottomless magazine, but for the remaining weapons...
8-Nov-20 8:01pm
#136 theJaw
ft763 wrote:
I can't seem to accept the new trilogy. Episode 7 is essentially a parody of Episode 4. Droid lands on a desert planet carrying essential info that would collapse the bad guys, a father figure gets killed, Han Solo gets chased by gangsters who he owes a debt to, planet-destroying superweapon gets blown up by X-wings...the list goes on.
TFA is pretty much a modern re-telling of A New Hope. Far from the first time that's happened though. Return of the Jedi is literally A New Hope 2 just with more one-on-one Luke/Vader stuff (cool) & random Ewok/Endor stuff (cool LOOKING but hollow narrative-wise). Otherwise the plot and goal is more-or-less the exact same... blow up a Death Star. Even Episode 1 brought the whole "blow up a circular space station to save the day" trope back when Anakin destroys the droid ship.
I thought TFA did a great job introducing the series to a younger audience while still giving us oldies the nostalgia drip we were looking for. I can give that movie a pass when it comes to presenting nostalgia as the main course... it's later in the series that it becomes a problem. The Last Jedi introduced a brand new, fresh story that toxic SW fans did nothing but complain about... so then we got The Rise of Skywalker which was just a retcon of the previous two movies (TFA and TLJ) in order shoehorn the tried and true SW cliches and recurring plot beats into the story. THAT movie is the one that almost feels like a parody in spots, with Finn's use of the Force and the force redemption. But whatev.
(I want to make it clear that not everyone who disliked TLJ is toxic, just that there was a sincerely toxic outcry after that movie released that was just fanboy whining. Anyone is free to dislike TLJ, but acting like anyone destroyed your childhood is garbage.)
Also what's with Kylo stealing Bane's voice in the Nolan Batman trilogy?
I honestly hear no similarities. Tom Hardy speaks in a deliberately higher pitch than his normal register and with a completely different accent whereas Adam Driver makes a focused decision to just speak with his normal accent but in a low, almost monotone voice.
And how does a conditioned stormtrooper suddenly "forget" his training and become an ally to the resistance??
I imagine you mean Finn... I don't think he "forgot" any training. In fact his knowledge of the First Order's inner-workings and Starkiller Base is a primary plot point in the second act of The Force Awakens. But even besides that, he also has combat training which we see when he fights that Stormtrooper outside of Maz's castle and via his proficiency with a blaster.
It's also established that the village attack at the beginning of TFA is the first time Finn had been deployed out into the field, with most of his time being spent doing janitorial work. Pair that along with the established information that Finn was stolen as a child and thrown into life as a Stormtrooper, it's really not that difficult to imagine him getting cold feet when it comes to slaughtering an innocent village and rebelling. And for as referential as TFA is to ANH, a Stormtrooper flipping sides was an actually fresh idea brought to the movies and one that I was happy to see. Unfortunately Finn is sort of underappreciated in the trilogy. TLJ did good to further his development from a former-deserter to a team-player (even if folks didn't like the side quest he went on), but he was pretty much a non-character in TROS.
#136 theJaw
ft763 wrote:
I can't seem to accept the new trilogy. Episode 7 is essentially a parody of Episode 4. Droid lands on a desert planet carrying essential info that would collapse the bad guys, a father figure gets killed, Han Solo gets chased by gangsters who he owes a debt to, planet-destroying superweapon gets blown up by X-wings...the list goes on.
TFA is pretty much a modern re-telling of A New Hope. Far from the first time that's happened though. Return of the Jedi is literally A New Hope 2 just with more one-on-one Luke/Vader stuff (cool) & random Ewok/Endor stuff (cool LOOKING but hollow narrative-wise). Otherwise the plot and goal is more-or-less the exact same... blow up a Death Star. Even Episode 1 brought the whole "blow up a circular space station to save the day" trope back when Anakin destroys the droid ship.
I thought TFA did a great job introducing the series to a younger audience while still giving us oldies the nostalgia drip we were looking for. I can give that movie a pass when it comes to presenting nostalgia as the main course... it's later in the series that it becomes a problem. The Last Jedi introduced a brand new, fresh story that toxic SW fans did nothing but complain about... so then we got The Rise of Skywalker which was just a retcon of the previous two movies (TFA and TLJ) in order shoehorn the tried and true SW cliches and recurring plot beats into the story. THAT movie is the one that almost feels like a parody in spots, with Finn's use of the Force and the force redemption. But whatev.
(I want to make it clear that not everyone who disliked TLJ is toxic, just that there was a sincerely toxic outcry after that movie released that was just fanboy whining. Anyone is free to dislike TLJ, but acting like anyone destroyed your childhood is garbage.)
Also what's with Kylo stealing Bane's voice in the Nolan Batman trilogy?
I honestly hear no similarities. Tom Hardy speaks in a deliberately higher pitch than his normal register and with a completely different accent whereas Adam Driver makes a focused decision to just speak with his normal accent but in a low, almost monotone voice.
And how does a conditioned stormtrooper suddenly "forget" his training and become an ally to the resistance??
I imagine you mean Finn... I don't think he "forgot" any training. In fact his knowledge of the First Order's inner-workings and Starkiller Base is a primary plot point in the second act of The Force Awakens. But even besides that, he also has combat training which we see when he fights that Stormtrooper outside of Maz's castle and via his proficiency with a blaster.
It's also established that the village attack at the beginning of TFA is the first time Finn had been deployed out into the field, with most of his time being spent doing janitorial work. Pair that along with the established information that Finn was stolen as a child and thrown into life as a Stormtrooper, it's really not that difficult to imagine him getting cold feet when it comes to slaughtering an innocent village and rebelling. And for as referential as TFA is to ANH, a Stormtrooper flipping sides was an actually fresh idea brought to the movies and one that I was happy to see. Unfortunately Finn is sort of underappreciated in the trilogy. TLJ did good to further his development from a former-deserter to a team-player (even if folks didn't like the side quest he went on), but he was pretty much a non-character in TROS.
8-Nov-20 8:05pm
#137 ft763
Ah, thanks for explaining. When I said that Kylo stole Bane's voice, I actually thought they were pretty damn similar. Watch these videos to see what I mean.
https://www.youtube.... (Bane's voice in SW)
https://www.youtube.... (Ren's voice in Batman)
#137 ft763
Ah, thanks for explaining. When I said that Kylo stole Bane's voice, I actually thought they were pretty damn similar. Watch these videos to see what I mean.
https://www.youtube.... (Bane's voice in SW)
https://www.youtube.... (Ren's voice in Batman)
8-Nov-20 8:09pm
#138 theJaw
I still don't hear the similarity to be honest with you. In fact swapping their voices for those scenes sort of just makes me realize how different they are. Again, Bane talks in a high pitch with an accent whereas Kylo talks in a low register with no accent. But I dunno, maybe I'm just not hearing something other folks find obvious.
#138 theJaw
I still don't hear the similarity to be honest with you. In fact swapping their voices for those scenes sort of just makes me realize how different they are. Again, Bane talks in a high pitch with an accent whereas Kylo talks in a low register with no accent. But I dunno, maybe I'm just not hearing something other folks find obvious.
8-Nov-20 8:13pm
#139 ft763
Well to each his own. I guess some people are more 'sensitive' in their ears while I don't happen to have that sort of sixth sense.
#139 ft763
Well to each his own. I guess some people are more 'sensitive' in their ears while I don't happen to have that sort of sixth sense.
8-Nov-20 8:17pm
#140 theJaw
As a musician, I guess that could be the case. I just personally never noticed a similarity but perfectly possible other folks did.
#140 theJaw
As a musician, I guess that could be the case. I just personally never noticed a similarity but perfectly possible other folks did.
8-Nov-20 8:20pm
#141 Kommie
Nothing about Star Wars is really that original, even the OT. So much was taken from Dune, as well as using the basic Hero's Journey story. So the fact that you find similarities in other movies isn't that shocking.
#141 Kommie
Nothing about Star Wars is really that original, even the OT. So much was taken from Dune, as well as using the basic Hero's Journey story. So the fact that you find similarities in other movies isn't that shocking.
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