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The Game Awards 2023
13-Nov-23 1:17pm
#1
TalonJedi87
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Voting is now open. Lots of good selections in a great year of gaming!!!

https://thegameaward...
13-Nov-23 5:04pm
#2
benstylus
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I am fundamentally opposed to game awards decided by popular vote. The award for popularity is called "sales;" you don't need a trophy to go with that.

Game awards (like most others) should be decided by people who know the industry inside and out. Once you have a certain number of years of professional experience working in the industry (maybe 10+ years?), whether as a designer, programmer, artist, producer, or even potentially a journalist, only then do you become eligible to vote.

13-Nov-23 5:07pm
#3
Feeb
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But what if you play and buy the games that keep those folks employed?
13-Nov-23 5:09pm
#4
benstylus
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A pat on the head. But no votes.

13-Nov-23 5:17pm
#5
Feeb
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If there were awards for most impressive coding etc I’d agree with you. It doesn’t take a skill set to vote for esports coach of the year or best voice actor etc.
13-Nov-23 5:44pm
#6
benstylus
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Feeb wrote:
If there were awards for most impressive coding etc I’d agree with you. It doesn’t take a skill set to vote for esports coach of the year or best voice actor etc.
Is there really a group of people who thinks an award for best esports coach of the year is something that anyone cares about? Or are they just stretching so their awards show can go longer?

That's like having an award for "best movie theater manager" or "best Gamestop location" or something.

Even so, I would guess that the vast majority of gamers have no concept of what makes an esports coach exceptional. Other than a win/loss record or something, in which case you don't need to vote because it's a mathematical process at that point. And even if they do have ideas on what makes a good coach, how many gamers can name multiple esports coaches and what makes them different?

And as far as best voice actor goes, maybe it doesn't take a great skill set to know when someone nails a role, but I think reserving the privilege of voting to dedicated industry veterans is still acceptable.

I would love to see an award for "least buggy game at launch".

13-Nov-23 5:49pm
#7
Feeb
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No argument there. These awards are a farce.

I just voted for / against games I’ve never even played.
13-Nov-23 5:50pm
#8
Kommie
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I voted for a video game.
13-Nov-23 5:50pm
#9
Feeb
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They really want Alan wake 2 to win an award.
13-Nov-23 6:02pm
#10
benstylus
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Feeb wrote:
They really want Alan wake 2 to win an award.
Game that the most people thought really should have been released physically but wasn't because reasons.

Sponsored by LRG and the winner gets the game made into an overpriced physical release

13-Nov-23 6:53pm
#11
TalonJedi87
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I am playing Alan Wake 2 now and while I am really enjoying it I don’t think it deserves to win or even be nominated for a GOTY. Let’s reserve that title for like Baldur’s Gate III.
13-Nov-23 7:15pm
#12
Orlandu
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A lot of overlap in those categories.
13-Nov-23 7:49pm
#13
Anxiouz
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It's basically the same few games in nearly every category. There's so little variety. no
13-Nov-23 8:13pm
#14
klusion
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The popular vote (public fan vote) is only 10%. 90% is voting jury.

13-Nov-23 8:20pm
#15
Archer
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Anxiouz wrote:
It's basically the same few games in nearly every category. There's so little variety. no
The whole thing is just a one big circle jerk.
13-Nov-23 8:35pm
#16
PizzaTheHutt
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benstylus wrote:
I would love to see an award for "least buggy game at launch".

I was just thinking something similar earlier today. On Friday, Super Mario Bros. Wonder will be one month old and is still on version 1.0.0, meaning there hasn't been a single patch for it, day one or otherwise. How many other games from 2023 can say that?
13-Nov-23 9:03pm
#17
Anxiouz
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Yeah, but to be fair there were some reports saying that they had no fixed period of time to make the game. So they had as much time as they wanted to polish it. How many other games can you say that about?
13-Nov-23 9:13pm
#18
Orlandu
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It's bizarre that a shipped functioning product is the exception rather than the rule.
13-Nov-23 9:17pm
#19
benstylus
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Anxiouz wrote:
Yeah, but to be fair there were some reports saying that they had no fixed period of time to make the game. So they had as much time as they wanted to polish it. How many other games can you say that about?
That tells me more companies need to be taking a page out of Nintendo's playbook then, and putting out a quality game instead of relying on patches and season passes to make it acceptable

14-Nov-23 4:03pm
#20
benstylus
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Let's bring the conversation back to this thread. Why let kommie have the popular one instead of talonjedi?

14-Nov-23 5:28pm
#21
benstylus
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Orlandu wrote:
benstylus wrote:> Orlandu wrote: |>> I wish they would add a best short game award. I feel like the smaller games tend |>> to be overlooked in favor of the lengthy epic stuff.> > There are always the annual gtz awards that we haven't done yet this year > > I'll have to check that out. Feels like I haven't played much this year, so I probably missed some good stuff.

Someone usually makes a thread in mid December.

15-Nov-23 11:20am
#22
benstylus
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Even Forbes is whining about the Game Awards

https://www.forbes.c...

The author's complaint is that any GOTY nominee should be excluded from the other categories because that makes the other categories largely redundant.

Baldur's Gate 3 is a GOTY nominee and a best RPG nominee? Well clearly if any of the other RPG nominees had a chance they would also be GOTY contenders.

I think his solution to the problem goes the wrong way because (as he even admits in the rant) it turns the subcategories into things like "Second Best RPG behind Baldur's Gate"

Why not have every voter provide a ranked choice style list of all the nominees from every category? Then those games that win their respective categories move on and the overall winner is decided from the ranked choice votes for those games.

And the 2023 Game Awards Game of the Year goes to... esports coach Danny “zonic” Sorensen!!!

Ok so the non-game categories don't need to have their nominees included in the GOTY rankings, smart guy.



(Moved to correct topic)
15-Nov-23 12:30pm
#23
TalonJedi87
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I am going to predict Baldur’s Gate 3 is gonna clean house and Alan Wake II will get snubbed as it kinda should in most categories. The lead voice actress alone doesn’t deserve the nom IMO. Her accent keeps slipping and she sounds like she’s phoning it in.
15-Nov-23 7:26pm
#24
Foxhack
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klusion wrote:
The popular vote (public fan vote) is only 10%. 90% is voting jury.
You say voting jury, I say greased palms.
15-Nov-23 7:35pm
#25
Yoshi
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Foxhack wrote:
klusion wrote:> The popular vote (public fan vote) is only 10%. 90% is voting jury. You say voting jury, I say greased palms.
I'd frankly respect "gaming journalism" more if that were the case.
15-Nov-23 7:39pm
#26
klusion
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Foxhack wrote:
klusion wrote:> The popular vote (public fan vote) is only 10%. 90% is voting jury. You say voting jury, I say greased palms.
Ha. I suppose you never know...

8-Dec-23 7:04am
#27
benstylus
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Huge congrats to Christine Chi on her incredible win.

8-Dec-23 9:18am
#28
Feeb
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benstylus wrote:
Huge congrats to Christine Chi on her incredible win.
I’m buying a jersey.
8-Dec-23 9:19am
#29
TalonJedi87
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I see Alan Wake did end up winning a lot of awards. I mean I really enjoyed the game but I didn't think it needed to win that many awards. Happy to see BG3 winning GOTY though as much deserved. And Spidey 2 got 7 noms but snubbed on all of them. Web swing into the wall! Ouch.
8-Dec-23 9:26am
#30
Feeb
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These awards have always felt a bit otherwise motivated in my mind. Huge representation by certain platforms, developers etc. you can usually accurately predict the winners based off of these associations. Alan wake is a good example- over represented in nominations no doubt. I hate that this thing has developed so much clout in the last few years.
8-Dec-23 9:34am
#31
benstylus
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TalonJedi87 wrote:
Happy to see BG3 winning GOTY though as much deserved.
Still not as good as NFL2K1 though.

https://www.metacrit...


8-Dec-23 11:51am
#32
Anxiouz
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Spider-man 2...zero awards. No sure it's a game-changer but zero awards sure doesn't seem right.
8-Dec-23 12:06pm
#33
Kommie
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Cookie cutter Superhero open world game that's probably not much different from the first game. Can't imagine why it didn't win anything.
8-Dec-23 12:10pm
#34
benstylus
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They could have made a category for it. "Best Spiderman game" would be a more interesting category than best esports coach.

8-Dec-23 12:11pm
#35
Feeb
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I was disappointed there was no controller fashion or household appliance category.
8-Dec-23 12:45pm
#36
benstylus
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"Best thing Doom was ported to" would make for an unironically great category

8-Dec-23 12:52pm
#37
Feeb
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TI-85 all day.
8-Dec-23 1:01pm
#38
Archer
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benstylus wrote:
"Best thing Doom was ported to" would make for an unironically great category
You spelled Skyrim funny.
8-Dec-23 1:23pm
#39
Foxhack
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Sad they didn't reveal the Skyrim port to the PlayDate.
8-Dec-23 3:12pm
#40
ryanflucas
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The 1999 Awards were better.
https://youtu.be/Zgx...
8-Dec-23 4:39pm
#41
benstylus
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ryanflucas wrote:
The 1999 Awards were better. https://youtu.be/Zgx...
These are now the DICE awards which are a different thing entirely from Geoff "Panty Raider" Keighley's awards show.

8-Dec-23 4:46pm
#42
Archer
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I always default to calling him Doritos Pope. I forgot about the panty raider thing.

Also happy cake day @Kommie
8-Dec-23 4:55pm
#43
Kommie
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Archer wrote:
I always default to calling him Doritos Pope. I forgot about the panty raider thing. Also happy cake day @Kommie
Thanks!
8-Dec-23 5:03pm
#44
Feeb
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Kommie wrote:
Archer wrote:> I always default to calling him Doritos Pope. I forgot about the panty raider thing.> > > Also happy cake day @Kommie Thanks!
Happy bday❤️❤️❤️❤️
8-Dec-23 9:27pm
#45
Bleed_DukeBlue
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Happy Birthday @Kommie
8-Dec-23 9:48pm
#46
TalonJedi87
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Happy birthmas!
9-Dec-23 7:15am
#47
benstylus
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Archer wrote:
I always default to calling him Doritos Pope. I forgot about the panty raider thing.
It's probably not fair to mock him for stuff he did decades ago on G4, which was squarely aimed at the teenage boy demographic.

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On the other hand, this was cringe even back then so yeah. He can be panty raider forever.

9-Dec-23 7:57am
#48
bumsplikity
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I had a good enough time watching the awards. There were a number of reveals that got me excited, and I was really glad to see that they went for it with the Alan Wake musical number. The show is of course a 3 hour commercial presented as an awards show but that doesn't keep me from having some fun while it's on.
9-Dec-23 9:41am
#49
TalonJedi87
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I also wish they’d stop with the Hellblade II foreplay already and just give us a frigging release date.
9-Dec-23 9:53am
#50
Kommie
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Remember how MS announced a Perfect Dark remake and a new Fable and nothing's been heard since?
9-Dec-23 10:50am
#51
TalonJedi87
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Oh I member! Still waiting on that Avowed game too which is supposed to be the Elder Scrolls killer made by Obsidian.
9-Dec-23 11:15am
#52
Feeb
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They sold lots of gamepass subs on those future releases. Then fable got reset and disappeared.
9-Dec-23 11:15am
#53
benstylus
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Pepperidge Farm remembers.

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9-Dec-23 11:43am
#54
TalonJedi87
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I guess I’m an odd duck as I only re-up my GP sub idk when these promised titles actually release. 🤷‍♂️
9-Dec-23 11:55am
#55
Feeb
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That’s one of the realities of a service like that. Smart consumers aren’t sitting on it. Lots do. If everyone did that no way it succeeds. I’m not saying businesses hope you don’t mind the empty promises- but it doesn’t hurt the bottom line if it takes longer than stated- starfield likely got a few extra months out of a few.
9-Dec-23 12:13pm
#56
TalonJedi87
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Yeah exactly. Like I make a list of games that release that I wanna play on GP then buy like a 3 month sub and likely don’t re-up unless another few games come out within that 3 month window. Play smarter. Not harder.
17-Feb-24 6:38am
#57
benstylus
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So the REAL game awards happened last night. The D.I.C.E. awards.

You can watch it here.
https://youtu.be/ALG...

Or go straight to the spoilers.
https://en.m.wikiped...

To my knowledge, no one at this awards ceremony was shown a WRAP IT UP sign after 10 seconds so that Hideo Kojima could blabber on for 8 minutes about nothing

17-Feb-24 7:21am
#58
TalonJedi87
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Look at Spider-Man 2 nabbing all those awards they got snubbed on in The Hideo Kojima, I mean Jeff Kealey, I mean, The Game Awards.
17-Feb-24 7:53am
#59
benstylus
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But where's the award for best esports coach?

17-Feb-24 8:01am
#60
Feeb
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How many awards did Jeff K… I mean Alan Wake 2 win.
17-Feb-24 11:03am
#61
Archer
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Diablo 4 won an award? WTF.
17-Feb-24 11:07am
#62
Kommie
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Archer wrote:
Diablo 4 won an award? WTF.
Best monetization of a $70 game? My guess.
17-Feb-24 11:09am
#63
Archer
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Kommie wrote:
Archer wrote:> Diablo 4 won an award? WTF. Best monetization of a $70 game? My guess.
That would make sense. Or even how to ruin a franchise in 3 months.

But online game of the year, what a joke. Unless by online game of the year they mean how to peak at 7 million players and then drop below 40K after 3 months and never recover no matter what you do. Does that mean online game of the year now?
17-Feb-24 11:24am
#64
Feeb
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Kommie wrote:
Archer wrote:> Diablo 4 won an award? WTF. Best monetization of a $70 game? My guess.
I saw they now offer a mount bundle that costs more than the game.
17-Feb-24 11:48am
#65
TalonJedi87
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Yeah that category/choice was strange to me too. I mean I enjoyed most of my time with Diablo 4 but like once I finished the story I didn’t wanna go back again and again like I did with Diablo 3. I would think best online game would go to something like Overwatch 2 or some nonsense like that. Or did that come out in 2022? I can’t keep up with these online games anymore.
17-Feb-24 12:41pm
#66
Feeb
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Monster hunter Rise / Sunbreak ps5 was my online GotY. It was a port of the switch game though- not new.

The Game Awards 2023