Analogue - Duo, Pocket, Super NT, Mega SG, NT Mini
28-Sep-22 7:52pm
#1 Lunar
Discussion for all things Analogue.
Duo coming out soon, fingers crossed.
But for starters, let's take a look at Pocket.
NES and SNES unlocked.
As far as I can tell, there's no other comparison for FPGA on a portable screen.
It. Is. Good.
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#1 Lunar
Discussion for all things Analogue.
Duo coming out soon, fingers crossed.
But for starters, let's take a look at Pocket.
NES and SNES unlocked.
As far as I can tell, there's no other comparison for FPGA on a portable screen.
It. Is. Good.
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3-Oct-22 1:40pm
#21 Admiral
benstylus wrote:
Admiral wrote:> For my money, I'd prefer to spend $100 on an emulation handheld vs $1000 for an FPGA. Enjoy your imperceptibly inferior gaming.
#21 Admiral
benstylus wrote:
Admiral wrote:> For my money, I'd prefer to spend $100 on an emulation handheld vs $1000 for an FPGA. Enjoy your imperceptibly inferior gaming.
4-Oct-22 7:24am
#22 Admiral
Lunar wrote:
Admiral wrote:> For my money, I'd prefer to spend $100 on an emulation handheld vs $1000 for an FPGA.> > Granted, I should have preordered the Pocket NT when I had the chance at regular> price...but in the market today, that's simply too much for a video game handheld. Where are you getting $1000?
There were a couple that went for that much, but you are right I'm seeing more like $500-$700 depending on condition. Point is still the same
#22 Admiral
Lunar wrote:
Admiral wrote:> For my money, I'd prefer to spend $100 on an emulation handheld vs $1000 for an FPGA.> > Granted, I should have preordered the Pocket NT when I had the chance at regular> price...but in the market today, that's simply too much for a video game handheld. Where are you getting $1000?
There were a couple that went for that much, but you are right I'm seeing more like $500-$700 depending on condition. Point is still the same
4-Oct-22 8:05am
#23 Lunar
benstylus wrote:
Admiral wrote:> For my money, I'd prefer to spend $100 on an emulation handheld vs $1000 for an FPGA. Enjoy your imperceptibly inferior gaming.
Ignorance is bliss, as they say.
But hey, enjoy what you enjoy, no judgment here.
#23 Lunar
benstylus wrote:
Admiral wrote:> For my money, I'd prefer to spend $100 on an emulation handheld vs $1000 for an FPGA. Enjoy your imperceptibly inferior gaming.
Ignorance is bliss, as they say.
But hey, enjoy what you enjoy, no judgment here.
4-Oct-22 8:14am
#24 Gypsy
None of them cost 1k. I prefer to use the price analogue sells for to cite what they cost. Though the fact that they go for over that in the aftermarket says something about the quality. A shame that they can't keep up with demand.
#24 Gypsy
None of them cost 1k. I prefer to use the price analogue sells for to cite what they cost. Though the fact that they go for over that in the aftermarket says something about the quality. A shame that they can't keep up with demand.
4-Oct-22 8:38am
#25 benstylus
Lunar wrote:
benstylus wrote:> Admiral wrote: |>> For my money, I'd prefer to spend $100 on an emulation handheld vs $1000 for an> FPGA.> > Enjoy your imperceptibly inferior gaming.> Ignorance is bliss, as they say. But hey, enjoy what you enjoy, no judgment here.
Thanks, I shall. Just poking some mild fun at gaming snobs who sneer at using anything less than the 100% best equipment available.
People who talk about their setup like most people would talk about their children.
To this I say... many of the folks who developed for older consoles did so with the understanding that their games would be viewed on crt screens through standard AV cables or even (GASP) an RF switch.
Who are we to say that blurriness and interlacing wasn't the intended way to play these games (especially N64 games hahaha)
#25 benstylus
Lunar wrote:
benstylus wrote:> Admiral wrote: |>> For my money, I'd prefer to spend $100 on an emulation handheld vs $1000 for an> FPGA.> > Enjoy your imperceptibly inferior gaming.> Ignorance is bliss, as they say. But hey, enjoy what you enjoy, no judgment here.
Thanks, I shall. Just poking some mild fun at gaming snobs who sneer at using anything less than the 100% best equipment available.
People who talk about their setup like most people would talk about their children.
To this I say... many of the folks who developed for older consoles did so with the understanding that their games would be viewed on crt screens through standard AV cables or even (GASP) an RF switch.
Who are we to say that blurriness and interlacing wasn't the intended way to play these games (especially N64 games hahaha)
4-Oct-22 9:01am
#26 Lunar
1. It's ok to love your set up as well as your children.
2. re: developer intent: who are you, or anyone to say what they intended?
3. You don't use RF the same reason you don't use sundial anymore to tell time, or a typewriter anymore to type a word document, or a horse carriage to commute, or go to the outhouse to take a piss.
#26 Lunar
1. It's ok to love your set up as well as your children.
2. re: developer intent: who are you, or anyone to say what they intended?
3. You don't use RF the same reason you don't use sundial anymore to tell time, or a typewriter anymore to type a word document, or a horse carriage to commute, or go to the outhouse to take a piss.
4-Oct-22 9:14am
#27 benstylus
Lunar wrote:
2. re: developer intent: who are you, or anyone to say what they intended?
I'm benstylus.
In all seriousness though, there are visual tricks developers used with interlacing and dithering and stuff that isn't really noticeable until you play it on the so-called better equipment, and it looks markedly worse on modern TVs. I would posit that the developer's intent was for those visual tricks to work correctly or they wouldn't have programmed them.
3. You don't use RF the same reason you don't use sundial anymore to tell time, or a typewriter anymore to type a word document, or a horse carriage to commute, or go to the outhouse to take a piss.
I use fountain pens, so I can still lay claim to old fashionedness thank you very much.
#27 benstylus
Lunar wrote:
2. re: developer intent: who are you, or anyone to say what they intended?
I'm benstylus.
In all seriousness though, there are visual tricks developers used with interlacing and dithering and stuff that isn't really noticeable until you play it on the so-called better equipment, and it looks markedly worse on modern TVs. I would posit that the developer's intent was for those visual tricks to work correctly or they wouldn't have programmed them.
3. You don't use RF the same reason you don't use sundial anymore to tell time, or a typewriter anymore to type a word document, or a horse carriage to commute, or go to the outhouse to take a piss.
I use fountain pens, so I can still lay claim to old fashionedness thank you very much.
4-Oct-22 9:18am
#28 Lunar
You're talking about upscaling. But the RF vs composite example makes no sense. You still wouldn't use RF because composite is better, and you should really use S-video because that's better still. But then you can use component(best) with most systems out of the gate on a CRT with component outputs.
Why do you prefer suffering?
#28 Lunar
You're talking about upscaling. But the RF vs composite example makes no sense. You still wouldn't use RF because composite is better, and you should really use S-video because that's better still. But then you can use component(best) with most systems out of the gate on a CRT with component outputs.
Why do you prefer suffering?
4-Oct-22 9:28am
#29 benstylus
The analogue pocket does not use a CRT screen as far as I know. Why would you want to suffer through playing SNES games like that when they were made for CRT?
Note I'm making pointless arguments just to show saying how silly being a hardware snob is. The games are fun either way, almost no matter what your setup may be.
#29 benstylus
The analogue pocket does not use a CRT screen as far as I know. Why would you want to suffer through playing SNES games like that when they were made for CRT?
Note I'm making pointless arguments just to show saying how silly being a hardware snob is. The games are fun either way, almost no matter what your setup may be.
4-Oct-22 9:43am
#30 Lunar
It's actually better on a smaller screen such as the Analogue Pocket truth be told.
Man, a "hardware snob" must have left some deep scars within you.
#30 Lunar
It's actually better on a smaller screen such as the Analogue Pocket truth be told.
Man, a "hardware snob" must have left some deep scars within you.
4-Oct-22 9:47am
#31 benstylus
Lunar wrote:
It's actually better on a smaller screen such as the Analogue Pocket truth be told. Man, a "hardware snob" must have left some deep scars within you.
Not specifically hardware snobs, but any kind of snobby/gatekeeping behavior just immediately gets me into ocular gymnastics.
#31 benstylus
Lunar wrote:
It's actually better on a smaller screen such as the Analogue Pocket truth be told. Man, a "hardware snob" must have left some deep scars within you.
Not specifically hardware snobs, but any kind of snobby/gatekeeping behavior just immediately gets me into ocular gymnastics.
4-Oct-22 9:52am
#32 Lunar
😂 kinda like telling people the right way to emulate?
Anyway, liking better hardware doesn’t mean I need to convert you to the same dedication level as me. No one is like “Hey you should only be playing on Analogue Pocket, because it’s the best.” It’s more like “Hey Analogue Pocket is an excellent device to play older games portably.” There’s no gatekeeping of any kind. You’re swatting at ghosts.
#32 Lunar
😂 kinda like telling people the right way to emulate?
Anyway, liking better hardware doesn’t mean I need to convert you to the same dedication level as me. No one is like “Hey you should only be playing on Analogue Pocket, because it’s the best.” It’s more like “Hey Analogue Pocket is an excellent device to play older games portably.” There’s no gatekeeping of any kind. You’re swatting at ghosts.
4-Oct-22 10:02am
#33 benstylus
Lunar wrote:
😂 kinda like telling people the right way to emulate?
Sorry, but I don't see being anti-piracy as gatekeeping or snobbery.
You could argue that the companies themselves are gatekeeping by not keeping their games in print (either physically or digitally), and I would probably agree with that to some extent
Especially because I am very much for companies re-releasing their older titles via emulation on modern systems.
I want all games to be affordable and available to anyone. Well, almost all games. There's a whole genre I wish would just go away and I will be extremely snobby about that if pressed.
#33 benstylus
Lunar wrote:
😂 kinda like telling people the right way to emulate?
Sorry, but I don't see being anti-piracy as gatekeeping or snobbery.
You could argue that the companies themselves are gatekeeping by not keeping their games in print (either physically or digitally), and I would probably agree with that to some extent
Especially because I am very much for companies re-releasing their older titles via emulation on modern systems.
I want all games to be affordable and available to anyone. Well, almost all games. There's a whole genre I wish would just go away and I will be extremely snobby about that if pressed.
4-Oct-22 10:05am
#34 Gypsy
It's not gymnastics when it's very apparent. All you have to do is plug in two side by side. Not everyone will care and people can play how they want but it is very apparent.
NESC and cheap emulation handhelds being trash doesn't mean people won't enjoy them it just means I won't buy them.
#34 Gypsy
It's not gymnastics when it's very apparent. All you have to do is plug in two side by side. Not everyone will care and people can play how they want but it is very apparent.
NESC and cheap emulation handhelds being trash doesn't mean people won't enjoy them it just means I won't buy them.
4-Oct-22 10:11am
#35 Lunar
benstylus wrote:
...I will be extremely snobby about that if pressed.
That's the irony here.
Anyway, to wrap up this pointless debate, no one said you NEED to play FPGA, but better and higher quality hardware exist.
#35 Lunar
benstylus wrote:
...I will be extremely snobby about that if pressed.
That's the irony here.
Anyway, to wrap up this pointless debate, no one said you NEED to play FPGA, but better and higher quality hardware exist.
4-Oct-22 10:15am
#36 benstylus
Lunar wrote:
benstylus wrote: |>...I will be extremely snobby about that if pressed. That's the irony here. Anyway, to wrap up this pointless debate, no one said you NEED to play FPGA, but better and higher quality hardware exist.
The real irony is thst for the longest time people were snobs about playing on original hardware compared to cheap emulation machines.
Now that FPGA exists and is way more expensive than original hardware in most cases, people can't get enough of it.
#36 benstylus
Lunar wrote:
benstylus wrote: |>...I will be extremely snobby about that if pressed. That's the irony here. Anyway, to wrap up this pointless debate, no one said you NEED to play FPGA, but better and higher quality hardware exist.
The real irony is thst for the longest time people were snobs about playing on original hardware compared to cheap emulation machines.
Now that FPGA exists and is way more expensive than original hardware in most cases, people can't get enough of it.
4-Oct-22 10:17am
#37 Lunar
benstylus wrote:
The real irony is thst for the longest time people were snobs about playing on original hardware compared to cheap emulation machines. Now that FPGA exists and is way more expensive than original hardware in most cases, people can't get enough of it.
I guess we are continuing. Who are we talking about here?
Original hardware is still good. As far as people in my retro circle, everyone who has Analogue machines still have most of their original hardware.
#37 Lunar
benstylus wrote:
The real irony is thst for the longest time people were snobs about playing on original hardware compared to cheap emulation machines. Now that FPGA exists and is way more expensive than original hardware in most cases, people can't get enough of it.
I guess we are continuing. Who are we talking about here?
Original hardware is still good. As far as people in my retro circle, everyone who has Analogue machines still have most of their original hardware.
4-Oct-22 10:54am
#38 Gypsy
Original hardware rules. I use it for everything except Sega Genesis. I use the Mega SG there because collecting Genesis carts does not spark any joy.
#38 Gypsy
Original hardware rules. I use it for everything except Sega Genesis. I use the Mega SG there because collecting Genesis carts does not spark any joy.
4-Oct-22 10:56am
#39 Lunar
I mean if the argument is, well look at all those OG hardware snobs flocking to FPGA, then yes, whatever it is you’re claiming, you’re right. Cheap emulation machines still suck.
#39 Lunar
I mean if the argument is, well look at all those OG hardware snobs flocking to FPGA, then yes, whatever it is you’re claiming, you’re right. Cheap emulation machines still suck.
4-Oct-22 12:00pm
#40 Admiral
My point is only this - the cost/benefit of FPGS makes it not worth it for me. Yes, I have multiple mini consoles, but I also like them for the look of the unit.
Emulation is REALLLLY good right now. Almost not noticeably different than FPGA...but the cost is 5x as much.
#40 Admiral
My point is only this - the cost/benefit of FPGS makes it not worth it for me. Yes, I have multiple mini consoles, but I also like them for the look of the unit.
Emulation is REALLLLY good right now. Almost not noticeably different than FPGA...but the cost is 5x as much.
4-Oct-22 12:04pm
#41 Lunar
Admiral wrote:
Emulation is REALLLLY good right now. Almost not noticeably different than FPGA...but the cost is 5x as much.
It should be clear by now, this varies from person to person. It's hugely noticeably different to some people. So there you have it.
If it's the same for you, that's good for you. Feel free to keep using the Mini consoles. Nothing wrong with that.
#41 Lunar
Admiral wrote:
Emulation is REALLLLY good right now. Almost not noticeably different than FPGA...but the cost is 5x as much.
It should be clear by now, this varies from person to person. It's hugely noticeably different to some people. So there you have it.
If it's the same for you, that's good for you. Feel free to keep using the Mini consoles. Nothing wrong with that.
Analogue - Duo, Pocket, Super NT, Mega SG, NT Mini