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Game of Thrones Discussion - NEW SEASON 8 TRAILER
12-Apr-17 5:09pm
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theJaw
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Welcome to the repurposed GOT Discussion thread! SPOILER WARNING: Spoiler tags ARE NOT necessary in this thread. Discuss freely, but be sure to AVOID THIS THREAD if you are not completely caught up. Valar morghulis!

Talk all things GOT before the final season in 2019!
DAYS UNTIL GOT: 62 DAYS

If this fizzles out before the premiere, I'll reopen it, but I plan to be posting sporadic theories/random thoughts as they come to me in here, so , like last year, I'd totally be into discussing them and seeing what others feel about the show. Theories, general thoughts, criticisms, post them all here.

(And cherish it, because we only have 6 episodes worth of new discussion this season. Gonna be a sad day when all the pointless theorizing ends.)

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10-Aug-17 6:31am
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theJaw
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Yah I recognized Littlefinger looked happy at the beheading but I thought it was just him being pumped about the chaos. But like I said, it'd make sense. Is there any dialogue in the books that flat out confirms it? Either way it's neat.

As far as Littlefinger goes now, we have very little of the show to go. His chaos lead to the state of things as they are now - something he's realizing wasn't the best option. He never counted on the Stark children reuniting to rule Winterfell, so any plotting or scheming he was planning to do there is getting snuffed out. He's been trying like usual, but his story is close to it's end. I could see him getting offed as early as next episode. I haven't had an issue with him this season, he's just finally realizing he's losing his grasp on the chaotic world he helped initiate.
10-Aug-17 6:36am
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theJaw
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Anyhow @InfiniteJest still interested who you chose at the end of the GOT Telltale game!
10-Aug-17 9:50am
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theJAwwww wrote:
ANYHOW has anyone played the GOT RPG game? It was released on PC & I think PS3 or 4. I got it for a deal off Steam and was wondering if I should install it.
Telltale was great. The other was not.

10-Aug-17 10:23am
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theJaw
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Just came to a grim realization...

Cersei's had Qyburn recreating classic Martell poisons this season. We saw as much with the Sand Snake lipstick, when Jaime poisoned Olenna and Oberyn's boobytrapped spear was even alluded to with Sir Gregor.

The trebuchet Bronn uses on Drogon is named "the Scorpion." Scorpions, as we all know, are poisonous animals.

What do you folks think the possibility of Drogon being poisoned is? It's also worth noting the wound was to his shoulder, and Kahl Drogo (who Drogon is named after) died of an admittedly bewitched shoulder injury.

A dragon dropping mid-flight and then dying a drawn out poison death would be preeetty heart breaking.
10-Aug-17 10:38am
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d3vanj
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That makes a ton of sense, one hell of a theory. I sure hope you are wrong.

10-Aug-17 10:46am
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theJaw
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Hahaa eeyup me too. But it's almost been foreshadowed a little too much - if it doesn't happen, that'd be a swerve (that I'd gladly accept lol).
10-Aug-17 10:52am
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theJAwwww wrote:
Just came to a grim realization... Cersei's had Qyburn recreating classic Martell poisons this season. We saw as much with the Sand Snake lipstick, when Jaime poisoned Olenna and Oberyn's boobytrapped spear was even alluded to with Sir Gregor. The trebuchet Bronn uses on Drogon is named "the Scorpion." Scorpions, as we all know, are poisonous animals. What do you folks think the possibility of Drogon being poisoned is? It's also worth noting the wound was to his shoulder, and Kahl Drogo (who Drogon is named after) died of an admittedly bewitched shoulder injury. A dragon dropping mid-flight and then dying a drawn out poison death would be preeetty heart breaking.
It's a good theory especially since when the dragon was on the ground the actual spear looked pretty small and not fatal unless through the skull. That would really hurt.

10-Aug-17 12:07pm
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Drogon isn't going to die, not this soon anyway, he'll play a big role against the White Walkers as the largest and strongest dragon. In my opinion the possibility is zero, but I bet one of the lesser dragons likely dies this season, and probably in the finale in a giant battle at the Wall or something.

And it's not nicknamed the scorpion, it IS a scorpion. Scorpion is just another name for a ballista, and I believe the name scorpion was popularized by the Romans. Sometimes it pays to be a Middle Ages/medieval nerd.

theJAwwww wrote:
Anyhow @InfiniteJest still interested who you chose at the end of the GOT Telltale game!
Oh, and I killed...


Both on different playthroughs, but if I had to choose one, I'd kill Gryff and have Ludd survive to season 2 (If it ever happens). He's a much more intelligent and interesting villain

10-Aug-17 12:31pm
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theJaw
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A ballista is a bit bigger than a scorpion, if I'm remembering correctly. Anyhow, I know it was a Roman weapon, I just feel like the use of a Scorpion against a dragon as opposed to a bigger treb or catapult is foreshadowing, especially considering all the poison this season.
10-Aug-17 12:34pm
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theJaw
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Though I will admit I thought "the Scorpion" was just a GOT play on "a scorpio," I didn't realize the real-life weapon was also referred to as a scorpion. I knew it was supposed to be the same thing given its size though.
10-Aug-17 12:41pm
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theJAwwww wrote:
A ballista is a bit bigger than a scorpion, if I'm remembering correctly. Anyhow, I know it was a Roman weapon, I just feel like the use of a Scorpion against a dragon as opposed to a bigger treb or catapult is foreshadowing, especially considering all the poison this season.
A ballista is larger, but they're functionally the same, the scorpion is the evolution of the giant and unwieldy ballista. Ballista/Scorpions are much faster traveling through the air, a catapult or trebuchet would likely never make contact with an agile and aware dragon. They also can't rotate and would be easily shredded from the side or behind. Plus, a scorpion can be reloaded, aimed and fired by a single person, fairly quickly. And it has been shown to be strong enough to pierce a dragon's skull, it's the perfect weapon as shown on the show.

As far as poisoning/foreshadowing, the Sand Snakes were known to always coat their weapons in poison, and at least one of them cut Euron. But of course he's fine with no mention of poisoning. Foreshadowing is only used when it's convenient, and I don't see any way they kill the largest dragon after only a single actual showing in battle.
10-Aug-17 12:48pm
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theJaw
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Either route is possible, just theorizing. Though having written, foreshadowing isn't just always used when it's convenient. It just comes off that way if written well haha

But who knows, we'll see. Drogon would have to be the dragon to die imo - him being dead would raise the stakes a bunch. Dany needs to be put into a more compromising position after an entire series of being top. Two lost battles isn't enough imo.
10-Aug-17 12:55pm
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theJAwwww wrote:
Either route is possible, just theorizing. Though having written, foreshadowing isn't just always used when it's convenient. It just comes off that way if written well haha But who knows, we'll see. Drogon would have to be the dragon to die imo - him being dead would raise the stakes a bunch. Dany needs to be put into a more compromising position after an entire series of being top. Two lost battles isn't enough imo.

You can point to hundreds of examples of possible or perceived foreshadowing that is never used for anything on this show. This will likely be another instance, just as all the poisoning of the Sand Snakes didn't impact Euron because he's still important to the show. Losing one dragon does put her in a more compromising position, the smaller two less so, of course. Anything can happen, but I'd happily bet money that Drogon isn't poisoned.
10-Aug-17 1:04pm
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theJaw
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No need to bet money on anything lol. It's very possible that he isn't.
10-Aug-17 1:07pm
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I'm not offering to make a bet with you, just saying that I'm confident enough to do so in general. I think the odds that he is poisoned are next to nothing.
10-Aug-17 1:07pm
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theJaw
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Yeah, I got that haha
12-Aug-17 11:11am
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@InfiniteJest
I have to ask. The reason you're so sure Drogon isn't poisoned wouldn't happen to be because you've seen/read up on leaks, right?

Also, on the subject of equality between Jaime and Brienne, this redditor does a great job breaking down their character dynamic for those interested: https://www.reddit.c...

Wall of text in coming ps.
12-Aug-17 12:06pm
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THE SPOILS OF WAR

Battle of the... Loot Train... Could have done with a better name but this may have been the best scene in GOT history. It's at the very least the most technically sound. It was awesome to finally see Dany storm Westeros and get her message across loud and clear. Lots of people were wondering why there weren't all 3 dragons in this battle. Aside from budgetary constraints, I imagine Dany wanted to make sure she kept the chaos to the road Jaime and co were traveling, heeding Jon Snow's advice not to just melt King's Landing. It'd be easier to do that with one fire-breathing dragon as opposed to two. I know the gold already got to King's Landing, so I'm wondering if there will be any importance put on what was actually in the loot train we saw get effed up. Food and grain is always important, especially when Sansa has been trying to secure some for Winterfell, but I'm interested to see how it plays into the story going forward, if it does at all.

Jaime's a hero Regardless as to whether you're behind Dany or not, looking at this scene from Jaime's shoes firmly establishes him as one of the major heroes of this story. In a world where there is no black and white, where people live in gray areas, Jaime has really earned his stripes here. He valiantly fights alongside his men after having numerous chances to flee, and he attempts to end the war by slaying Dany the same way he effectively ended Robert's Rebellion by slaying the Mad King. Rushing headstrong toward a dragon give Jaime balls of steel, even if those may be weighing him down to the bottom of a lake at the moment. I imagine Bronn will surface, take a breath, then get Jaime out of danger. We saw pretty much the entirety of that lake in the wide shot after they went under, and it looked like the ground was fairly close to Jaime during the final shot of the episode. While it's almost comically deep, it looks just shallow enough that an attempted rescue isn't out of the question.

Bronn's a badass Speaking of Bronn, he also earned his stripes in a big way. Listen, I don't want to see a dragon go down (though I think one will eventually) but seeing Bronn overcome his fear to smirk at a dragon diving directly toward him may have been one of the most badass shots of the series. I loved the way this episode pitted popular character vs. popular character as it created this uncertainty to the outcome - something that is missing from a lot of shows these days. From the tracking shot, to Bronn deciding to leave the gold in favor of helping the Lannister army, to the showdown with Drogon, Bronn has officially reached the upper-echelon of characters as far as I'm concerned. He'll be dead soon.

Finger Paintings The only issue I had with this episode were the way-too on-the-nose cave painting Jon found and showed to Dany. It was almost like a comedy the way the carvings got more detailed the more Jon showed Dany. Started out with the fairly ancient-looking spirals and designs that we've spread through the series, then moved onto slightly more detailed drawings of the Children and First Men, until finally, we get super-obvious, full-color carvings of White Walkers in a way that could absolutely not be interpreted in any other way than "Oh, these are White Walkers." Even cave paintings in real life aren't so on-the-nose that people can tell what they are immediately. It takes studying and geographical knowledge to figure it out. Here, there was no room for mystique. These were blue white walkers drawn in chalk. Could've done without.

Theon Returns Nice little reunion that I barely even thought about. Jon wanted to murk Theon so bad. There was a nice intensity in this short scene and I think it'll probably open up a plot point for Theon to take his Iron Born group and attempt a small breakout the same way Yara tried to save him from Ramsay. It'll be interesting to see how these Iron Born treat or follow Theon, and even more interesting to see if Theon can redeem himself in any way before he's inevitably offed.

Bran v Littlefinger This was another fun scene between two characters that I didn't necessarily care to see interact simply because I hadn't really thought about it much. Cool to see Littlefinger reintroduce the valyrian steel dagger that almost killed Bran, but even cooler to see Bran out-talk Littlefinger just by saying his catch phrase. We're really seeing the crumbling of everything Littlefinger has worked for in this season. He never counted on the Stark children to be running Winterfell and you can tell he's fumbling to work his ways over Bran and Arya now that they're back. We saw him try to cozy up to Bran in this scene, and then he bows to Arya a little later on. I don't think anyone is falling for it though, and hopefully Arya adds his face to his collection eventually. Still wish we knew the details to how that magic worked, though.

Don't Let the Door Hit Your Ass On the Way Out Poor Meera. For a long time, I figured Meera would act as Bran's link to his humanity. I thought that no matter how weird Bran got with these abilities, it'd be Meera to keep him grounded. Looks like her purpose is the exact opposite of that, and is intended to show us just how much Bran has changed. Her leaving after such a cold send-off from Bran really hits the point home: Bran is no longer Bran, but a much more ancient entity who just happened to remember Bran's life among the history of the planet. Wild stuff. I'm into it.

Arya v Brienne We've all already talked at length about this scene. I thought it was awesome to see these two square off for fun. It's 100% fan service. Many podcasters I've listened to consider Brienne among the top tier fighters in Westeros (yeah yeah, I know) so the question is: Where does Arya fall on that list? It'll be interesting to see how this sparring match holds relevance to the future of Arya's character. How much fighting will we actually see out of her now that the show has established how good she is on her feet? Has me pumped for whatever's to come.

The Golden Company Cersei is paying back the Iron Bank and is looking to bring in the Golden Company. The history of this group is super interesting, and their role in the book series is a lot larger than it has been in the show (since i'm pretty sure this episode is the first big reference to them joining the story). I'm wondering how the show runners will handle this. Hoping they don't pull a Dorne and try to shoe-horn the primary book details into the little time remaining, because that'd included the whole Fake Targaryen thing. I imagine the Golden Company will just act as more troops for Cersei now that a good portion of her army has been roasted. This whole season has been about power-plays that keep one character with the "1 up" over another. Cersei has been working her way to Dany's level, then surpassed it until Dany brought her dragon to The Reach, and now she'll need the Golden Company to reestablish that position.

Lady Stoneheart Easter Egg So lots of folks think that there's a Catelyn Stark/Lady Stoneheart easter egg in this episode, and I'm inclined to agree. Right as Arya says the word "mother" while talking to Brienne, in reference to Lady Catelyn, an ominous looking red-haired woman in a very Catelyn-like green robe walks past the doorway behind her. It's interesting because of the timing in correspondence with the word "mother," the fact that Brienne/Pod play a role in Stoneheart's story from the books, and the fact that other than Brienne, Pod and Arya, this woman is the only other person in the shot. I don't think that this means Catelyn or Stoneheart will appear full-on in the show, but I do think it was an intentional nod to the character and her place in the books. I consider this easter egg "the ghost of Catelyn Stark," checking in on her daughters after Brienne had fulfilled her oath.

Definitely not an actual plot point, but still a fun, and kind of creepy, little moment. Here's the video:
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12-Aug-17 2:29pm
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theJaw
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I should legitimately be embarrassed at how long these posts get.
12-Aug-17 8:13pm
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I just like that my own long posts from back in the day, which are very rare now, look so much better by contrast. I thank for that!

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