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19-May-19 1:04pm
#1
reneeatworld
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I've seen every Star Wars movie only once, with the exception of Solo, I own the bluray, but have yet to watch it. Although I own each movie on bluray, I've only seen the Star Wars movies once, a few years ago.

Although I remember a lot of what I've seen, I'm sure there are many details that I missed, or can't remember. It's my understanding that the original trilogy is loved by many, and the prequel trilogy is hated on by most.

I'm curious about why Jar Jar is hated so much. And why do people hate the prequels so much. Do people hate the story, the characters, etc? Can anybody fill me in on what I missed that has caused people to hate Jar Jar, and the prequel movies in general?
19-May-19 1:26pm
#2
SwiftJAB
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Because Jar Jar is the Sith Lord

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19-May-19 1:31pm
#3
Archer
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I hate Jar Jar because hes a cartoon. He is very annoying. I don't hate on the prequels as much as others. But I do hate Jar Jar. The hard core SW fans hate them because they thing Lucas sold out and the new films were pandered to little kids or some crap like that.
19-May-19 2:14pm
#4
Missile
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I'm not a star wars fan, in fact i only ever really liked the first movie, but i THINK the problem with Jar Jar is he doesn't really fit in with Star Wars. The Phantom Menace is a movie about politics, slavery, action, etc, and then here comes this ultra exaggerated cartoon character, perhaps even a stereotype if you talk to certain people, that is only there to make with the funny for 8 year olds.
19-May-19 2:51pm
#5
theJaw
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The issue with Jar jar is just that they tried to make him the goofy comedic relief too hard and like others have mentioned it came off sort of at-odds with the story they wanted to tell. His personality just wasn't as endearing as C3PO or even R2-D2, who got the bulk of the comedy in the OT (and then again in Episodes 2 & 3 when they realized Jar Jar was a whiff).

And in my opinion, the CG is real bad by modern standards. It's difficult to watch the effects in Phantom Menace. While I hate that the following 2 movies were almost nothing but CG sets and whatnot, I at least can put up with the animation because by those 2 movies animation had progressed to the point that it at least didn't age too poorly. I think PM may be my favorite of the prequels for the practical effects still used, but the CG is so distracting now. That said, the fact that Lucas directed 2 additional movies that are essentially cartoons with live-action actors was a bit lazy.

And then there are the myriad of plot inconsistencies between the OT and PT that could have easily been handled better, but weren't. Some stuff from the new movies have retroactively made sense of certain problematic bits, but there will always be logistical stuff that just doesn't add up. Leia claiming to remember her "real" mother despite Lucas writing Episode 3 to make that an impossibility is one that stands out in my mind. A lot of this aspect is due to the fact that the only OT movie Lucas wrote and directed was A New Hope - which was considered a disaster until his ex-wife swooped in and edited it the way we all know and love. She then edited the next two, which were both written and directed by people simply working off Lucas' plot outline. So lots of folks believe that the real geniuses on the OT were the folks Lucas worked with as opposed to Lucas himself, though he's obviously a creative juggernaut. This is sort of made clear by the lazy direction and inconsistent stories of the PT.

Still, I can sit down and watch the PT and still have a fine time nowadays. I'll admit for a while I was completely anti-PT, but I realized that was a bit toxic and allowed myself to just enjoy them for the nostalgia of it. The fact that newer installments have explained certain aspects away doesn't hurt it for me either.
19-May-19 5:23pm
#6
KCPenguins
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They are disliked or hated for many reasons, some justified, some not. The story seems less focused than the OT despite it supposedly being solely about the creation of Vader. I don't find the actors who portray Anakin all that compelling, which is a shame as Jake Lloyd takes as much heat if not more than Lucas despite it being solely on Lucas.

They also change the world created in the OT quite a bit which is a sore spot amongst die hards. The force goes from a religious/super natural phenomina to a biological propensity. Light sabers (the most iconic part of the movie) went from a heavy broad sword to fast moving eye candy, and Jedi went from knights to gymnasts/dancers.

I may be way off base, but I find the decline of Lucas to be more about the shift from his focus being on his work to his family. I love the original trilogy (screw the modern versions). The prequels are on par with Transformers give or take. The new trilogy is typical modern Disney for better or worse.
19-May-19 11:18pm
#8
secret_defender
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Don't forget the 2 Ewoks movies and the worst Star Wars there is i'm certain everyone can agree to this: Star Wars Holiday Special.

There's also ripoffs: Turkish Star Wars and Turkish Star Wars 2 ; i'm sure there's more but that's all i can think of.

Original trilogy was changed. In order to watch the original form is get it on vhs, beta or laserdisc that has the old cbs fox logo not plain fox.
19-May-19 11:51pm
#9
theJaw
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secret_defender wrote:
Original trilogy was changed. In order to watch the original form is get it on vhs, beta or laserdisc that has the old cbs fox logo not plain fox.
Some fan-editor made de-specialized versions that return the movies to their original state too. Don't know how but I've been meaning to give them a look.

Anyone ever see this:
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Other than a few PC/N64 games, this may have been my first venture into the SW Expanded Universe. This was a Saturday morning cartoon but the way I saw it on this VHS was in 2 different arcs from the show edited into feature length stories. They're pretty rough to watch now but I remember loving them as a kid. I just loved the idea of these other grand adventures taking place in the universe without tying into Luke and the main characters (just the Droids obv). Really dug how the plots took the characters to a million (too many) destinations in one story and really made the universe seem huge.
20-May-19 4:00am
#10
DrizzDrizzDrizz
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Omg i just remembered I watched Turkish star wars
That one belongs in the bad movies thread, was a blast
20-May-19 11:41am
#11
Gypsy
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@theJaw #TeamPracticalEffects

Oh and the despecialized fan project is great. It's essentially what the OT would look like if it were reeleased with all its original content but done as a proper BD release all cleaned up. I burned off BDS (with disc art Fudge yeah) and it's the only way I watch the OT now. If you need help drop me a line.
20-May-19 6:30pm
#12
KCPenguins
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I can't stand the changes they made to RotJ.
21-May-19 10:54pm
#13
secret_defender
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Forgot about cartoon. Now that i think about it seems like there were 2 animated series, the other ewoks?

Drizz all Turkish could be considered bad, known for superheroes ripoffs and various hollywood ripoffs, so is India. The main star from Star Wars is very popular over there and appeared several times in different films acting the same way. Star Wars had nothing do with the real movies so i don't know why it was dubbed that, the other superheroes couild be recognized as ripoffs such as Superman who fights the same way. India ripoffs usually were musicals.
22-May-19 1:34pm
#14
Grenadier
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secret_defender wrote:
Forgot about cartoon. Now that i think about it seems like there were 2 animated series, the other ewoks?
Yes, Ewoks and Droids. Droids got one 13-episode season. Ewoks lasted a little longer, 2 13-episode seasons.
22-May-19 5:09pm
#15
theJaw
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Just rewatched that movie that I posted earlier the other night because of this thread. Actually still enjoyed it. It's obviously a movie Frankenstein'd together from episodes of a show but I thought it was fun enough. Kids in the 90s l liked it, at least this one did haha
30-May-19 8:32pm
#16
reneeatworld
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Very interesting responses. I really need to set aside some time to rewatch the first six movies again.
30-May-19 8:41pm
#17
KCPenguins
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I'm of the opinion that if you didn't live through the changes (originals to multiple SE's) you probably won't appreciate the (nostalgia of the) originals, but I could be wrong.

I'd be curious to see someone's reaction to watching the unedited original trilogy versus the "SE's" if the first exposure was the SE's... I've banned the SE's in my household.
30-May-19 8:56pm
#18
theJaw
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KCPenguins wrote:
I'm of the opinion that if you didn't live through the changes (originals to multiple SE's) you probably won't appreciate the (nostalgia of the) originals, but I could be wrong.\ I'd be curious to see someone's reaction to watching the unedited original trilogy versus the "SE's" if the first exposure was the SE's... I've banned the SE's in my household.
I definitely can't say one way or the other when it comes to nostalgia for the ACTUAL theatrical originals because I was born in 89 and every instance of a home-release has had at least SOME tinkering (going back to the first VHS releases) but one of the most vivid and favorite memories of my childhood is having my father call me over to the couch to watch Star Wars on TV. It was Return of the Jedi, and I remember him distinctly trying to figure out if it was the second or third in the series (he was unsure). The version he showed me was whatever version whichever TV network with the rights had at the time but it was at least 2-3 years before the Special Editions hit the theaters (he brought me to see them all when they released). Being a small child at the time, I wouldn't have noticed any changes back at that age.

So I dunno, I feel nothing but pure, joyful nostalgia when it comes to the OT and while I did technically see versions of the movies before the SPECIAL Editions in the 90s, I'd never be able to tell you which version that was or what the specific changes were. To be honest, it was the Special Editions that I've seen far more in my lifetime, easily more than a "pure" version of the movies, so I'd say the nostalgia just exists depending on how you experienced the movies in your childhood.

Now... the blu-rays.... those are a completely different story. Oof.

30-May-19 9:08pm
#19
KCPenguins
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I own the vhs's, the (altered) dvd's, and the blu-rays. I dislike everything but the vhs's.
30-May-19 9:14pm
#20
theJaw
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KCPenguins wrote:
I own the vhs's, the (altered) dvd's, and the blu-rays. I dislike everything but the vhs's.
Yah those are the least altered for sure, but still not theatrical-grade pure haha. Sounds like we're talking about drugs here.
30-May-19 9:40pm
#21
reneeatworld
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I've never seen any version except the bluray versions. In the mid 2000's, sometime between 2007 and 2009 I believe, I worked at Best Buy. I remember always stocking the DVD versions of Star Wars, and at the time, I never really thought to buy them. Hearing all this talk about changes that occurred with each new release, I wish I would've bought the DVDs many years ago while they were still available, and probably more affordable.

Fill me in, Star Wars fans.