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Being in the Retro Game Market is just depressing
12-Feb-22 4:54pm
#1
Frozyre
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When I built my VG Collection here back in 2012, man it was such a thriving time. I still have those images, to never forget what was accomplished before inevitably having to sell it all in one swoop. The prices I've got those games for, the lucky breaks, the good trades here .etc were all worth it in the end. In a way, I could still do that today if I choose to but the business climate for retro games have changed and they've changed for the worst. First thing I've noticed, I no longer have a healthy network of places to frequent to acquire games from. There are places in general I could visit, but the prices are heavily based on EBay. Resellers have taken over thrift stores that I frequented, who also practice the same.

There's one used video game store I've been doing business with for a bit now and I'm starting to reconsider after my exchange by giving him my Nintendo Wii. He sells Nintendo Wiis for $60 a pop, I got mine for $25 at a thrift store. He was willing to give me 25 in store credit for it. Being partially blinded by the whole 'support small business' motto, I accepted the poor terms. He was lying through his teeth because I'm a semi-regular there, he does manage to sell Wiis. He didn't even add anymore credit for the two copies of the Price is Right for Wii that I had with the system, could've had at least 3 for each since they're 5 loose. I was also building credit to eventually buy a PS4 Pro he had there that was $349 even though I have a PS4 slim. I was considering trading my PS4 and PS2 (fat) combined and then fill in the difference with paying directly. I was at 95 store credit at the time, but now 60 cause he had a couple PS4 games I wanted. He offered 120 for the PS4 Slim and 20 for the PS2 fat. The offer for the PS4, maybe sounds fair. But the PS2 offer is what is making me change gears on all of this.

He can't tell me again that he has difficulty selling PS2s because he sells those for 50 a pop, regardless of model and they fly off the shelf. I go in, see one, I come back in a day later or an hour later - gone. So, I think I'm going to not give him anymore systems and drop the PS4 Pro idea. I'll find someone who'll sell a Pro down the road for at least a manageable price point, eventually.

And while I was browsing about on EBay to find me some PS3 games I'd want to have like Dante's Inferno, I see a copy going for $5,000. I thought "oh...one of you" because the image of that listing had a graded shell on it and all these fancy holo graphics and the grade of the condition that's entirely made up. I went out of my way to message this seller and straight up tell him off to first get his attention. Then it boiled down to a debate with a greedy reseller because I've been in the used video games market for 10 years of my life, I've done business here and I've been partially influenced by some of the users who has done business here. In otherwords, I know enough to know a phony reseller and their practices out in the open than most don't. So we debated about this, a pretty heated one at that and all that he can ever go on about is gloating about the hustling market and how I'm supposedly jealous that I won't be able to sell a graded game to make $5,000 blah, blah, blah.

Well, you know, I have a sealed copy of Nioh 2 for PS4. I could do the same exact thing that scammer does but I'm not going to because the whole WATA and graded system for games thing is managed by a bunch of greedy hustlers running auctions made for and ran by rich people. They've long been damaging the marketplace with their practices by inflating the values of games beyond what they would realistically be valued for. It is infuriating to see and no, I'm not jealous about it because I'm not a greedy fudging reseller who uses an elementary school grading system to artificially inflate the values of games. So, I just again told the reseller off and ignored him. He responded like 2 times in the past hour since I last sent mine and I'm ignoring it because I'm disgusted how he justifies this bullcrap.

Being in the retro game market can have it's perks but it's mostly dominated by scammers and scalpers who's been gaming a good hobby, the same way cryptominers have damaged the GPU marketplace. Absolutely disgraceful.
12-Feb-22 5:36pm
#2
Boss
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I am grateful that I have all the games I'll ever need.
12-Feb-22 5:54pm
#3
Scott
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Boss wrote:
I am grateful that I have all the games I'll ever need.
I am grateful that I was able to get MOST of the games I care to own before the market got so crazy. For the rest, I'll just emulate.
12-Feb-22 6:29pm
#4
benstylus
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For games that are stupid on ebay like a 5000 dollar copy of Dante's inferno, you'll never be able to talk sense into that seller.

And be careful using the phrase "going for $5000". That price is just the seller's wet dream. If you want to see what something is going for, look at sold listings. If the only available prices are way higher than the sold prices, it's because those are the ones that no one is buying.

If a particular game is too expensive, I'm glad there are thousands of other games I can play that are leas ridiculously priced.

12-Feb-22 6:33pm
#5
bonham2
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I think the collectors that bought 5-10 years ago mostly held onto the stuff they really wanted, which had taken a lot of copies out of circulation. Some of the CIB NES stuff is through the roof. I sold off most of my collection years ago because it was just collecting dust. I have no desire to ever get them again.
12-Feb-22 6:34pm
#6
benstylus
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If you don't need CIB, there are still lots of affordable games.

But not having a case for disc based games is painful

12-Feb-22 7:01pm
#7
Cevil
Gold Good Trader

Market is obviously over-inflated. Try to focus on playing what you already own, makes it easier to ignore the crazy prices. We're all guilty of having too many un-played games.
12-Feb-22 7:22pm
#8
benstylus
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Cevil wrote:
Market is obviously over-inflated. Try to focus on playing what you already own, makes it easier to ignore the crazy prices. We're all guilty of having too many un-played games.
That's what the beat a game thread is for smile

13-Feb-22 12:29am
#9
Frozyre
GameTZ Subscriber Quadruple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Has Written 3 Reviews

benstylus wrote:
For games that are stupid on ebay like a 5000 dollar copy of Dante's inferno, you'll never be able to talk sense into that seller.
I knew I was talking to someone who's blinded by greed. I wasn't engaging in conversation with him to change his mind because he was hook and sinker, I just wanted an opportunity to not only have grabbed his attention. But long enough to really tell him how I felt from someone who's been in the used VG market for 10+ years and how I see people like him rigging the marketplace now for their greedy purposes.

And be careful using the phrase "going for $5000". That price is just the seller's wet dream. If you want to see what something is going for, look at sold listings. If the only available prices are way higher than the sold prices, it's because those are the ones that no one is buying.
If a particular game is too expensive, I'm glad there are thousands of other games I can play that are leas ridiculously priced.
No one game is too expensive unless it's a limited run copy or a one of a kind game out there. It's just absurd how bastardized this has all become now.
13-Feb-22 1:17am
#10
flamingtoastjpn
Bronze Good Trader

The retro gaming market has been bad and greed oriented - at bare minimum - since I started collecting in 2016; this isn't exactly a new thing. I've had people on this site try and take advantage of me when I was new to collecting for older consoles (I nearly screwed myself on a trade because I didn't realize Mega Man X2 and X3 were different games).

I feel like most of the recent price changes are due to game collecting becoming more mainstream so there's more demand, plus now newer systems like Gamecube are retro and those prices went up accordingly.

The one thing that really bothers me now compared to 5-6 years ago is just how quickly and thoroughly game libraries are being dissected. In the past you could find cool and fun games for relatively affordable prices as long as you looked around and avoided the usual suspects. Now though, people are obsessed with finding "hidden gems." Now all those lesser known but pretty good titles (Soul Blazer for SNES, etc.) are more expensive than a brand new game.

Speaking as someone who really enjoys retro games but *didn't* get to build up a big collection back when they were cheap... Yeah these prices suck lol. Fully agree on spending more time on playing what we already have!
13-Feb-22 1:58am
#11
Frozyre
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The prices are being hiked up because now we have these dumb grading systems in place, like WATA, being ran by hedge fundraisers. Back then, yeah, all we had to worry about was just small time hustlers who invade flea markets and thrift stores, taking up all of the good games to turn a profit. But even places like VGPC has now a "Graded Price" section that caters to this broken graded system that's worsening this. Mainstream too, thanks to shows like Pawn Stars and Storage Wars.

I don't endorse the practice for the sake of the site's policy but, I can't fault anyone now who strictly goes emulation either.
13-Feb-22 6:10am
#12
Missile
Gold Good Trader

I can tell you that the retro game market has always been terrible, you just didn't notice it because there were plenty of people who were willing to sell a rare/popular game for cheap back then. Now that everyone is well aware of the value these games have,coupled with other factors such as youtube influencers(le hidden gem man for example hyping every single fudging game up as if they were holy grails), it kinda becomes more obvious.
13-Feb-22 6:36am
#13
benstylus
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https://www.ebay.com...
Best dang value in gaming right now

And Missile, I completely disagree. It's not that people didn't know what they were worth, it's that games weren't "worth" as much as they are now, because there were fewer people collecting, and fewer people just in it to speculate.

The scammers/fraudsters at WATA are focused mostly on the sealed game market (which let's be honest has always been more niche). There is a trickle-down effect though, as the stupid money people see the prices that graded games allegedly sell for.

It's really only been the last few years that prices have exploded. Complete NES and SNES games were always pricy, but now they have just gotten out of hand.

Gamecube prices are definitely among the most noticeable jumps, with games like Billy Hatcher that you could barely sell for $15 a few years ago now regularly hitting the $80 threshold or higher. Phantasy Star Online is in a similar boat. Chibi Robo, which you almost couldn't give away is now a $200+ game.

We've seen some of the games in our collection jum, sometimes even tenfold in value.


The Hakoboy Hakozume box I bought as a gift for sailorneorune a few years ago for the adorable Qbby amiibo regularly fetches $400+ on ebay now. The amiibo by itself goes for nearly $250 (just the figure, no packaging).
Shining Force CD used to go for around $100 for the longest time, then just in the last few years has crept up to the $400 or even $500 range for a complete copy.
Pulseman, we bought for about $60 years back, now it's a stomach-churning $600.

I don't even want to talk about Saturn games. We let most of ours go when we moved about ten years ago and I've almost just completely written off the Saturn and cashed out at this point due to the prices of the top tier games. I'm glad to have played through the top games like Panzer Dragoon Saga (highest used copy ebay sold listing $1,495.00), Burning Rangers ($899.00), Magic Knight Rayearth ($1,050), and Shining Force III ($600.00), but I'm never going to own them again in this market. I'm happy to have been utterly disappointed by the Saturn port of House of the Dead without having spent $769.69 on it.

But!

I do have a great collection of (mostly) affordable games that are lots of fun, and I've had a blast so far with the "beat a game for every system" topic so far.

I'm also happy that digital storefronts are taking retro gaming more seriously (although mostly on the arcade front), and I'm happy to own an Evercade, especially with the upcoming Renovation collection. There are also platforms like antstream that have lots of retro games available to play online.

I guess the short version is there are still a ton of great games out there at affordable prices, and even more so if you are fluent in Japanese. Your $1,100 CIB copy of Chrono Trigger for the SNES can be had for $69.99 on the Super Famicom. Not knowing Japanese means you pay a 1,713% premium.

I would say that as a gamer, the options to legally play a lot of great retro games are still relatively affordable. But collectors want what collectors want.

13-Feb-22 9:44am
#14
Gypsy
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@benstylus As a long time PS1/2 collector, those have seen absolute insane bumps as well. Valkyrie Profile has always been up there, but it peaked all the way above $400 on PC with nice copies selling for more than that on eBay during that time. One of my favorite games but I sold it along with some others I enjoyed but realistically would never replay during that big spike. Then well yeah as you mentioned there is Sega CD lol. Love Popful Mail but uh well...

I converted to Japanese on the Dreamcast ages ago.

I like trying to help out other collectors but it's really hard now when it's harder to get deals. :(
13-Feb-22 10:58am
#15
benstylus
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Gypsy wrote:
@benstylus As a long time PS1/2 collector, those have seen absolute insane bumps as well. Valkyrie Profile has always been up there, but it peaked all the way above $400 on PC with nice copies selling for more than that on eBay during that time.
Valkyrie Profile is great example of what I'm talking about in terms of gaming versus collecting. The PS1 version got a PSP remake (Lenneth) which has since been ported to IOS/Android.

So unless you just want to own a CIB copy of the original PS1 version, you can still legally play it (an arguably better version even) for under 20 dollars.

Yes there are some games there aren't legal ways to play otherwise, but there are tons of amazing games out there that you can still play inexpensively as long as you're not a slave to original hardware.

13-Feb-22 3:52pm
#16
dunno001
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Yeah, as a collector, a lot of things are on pause for me. I was going for a US Sega CD and Saturn collection, but current prices are putting me on pause. Keio's price jump means I'm probably going to have to write that one off. I got most of the Saturn heavy hitters, but now the middlings I need are going for what the heavy hitters were. Game Gear hasn't spiked yet, so maybe I should finish that?
13-Feb-22 10:42pm
#17
flamingtoastjpn
Bronze Good Trader

benstylus wrote:
Gypsy wrote:> @benstylus As a long time PS1/2 collector, those have seen absolute insane bumps> as well. Valkyrie Profile has always been up there, but it peaked all the way above> $400 on PC with nice copies selling for more than that on eBay during that time. Valkyrie Profile is great example of what I'm talking about in terms of gaming versus collecting. The PS1 version got a PSP remake (Lenneth) which has since been ported to IOS/Android. So unless you just want to own a CIB copy of the original PS1 version, you can still legally play it (an arguably better version even) for under 20 dollars. Yes there are some games there aren't legal ways to play otherwise, but there are tons of amazing games out there that you can still play inexpensively as long as you're not a slave to original hardware.
A lot of games can be a poor experience on different hardware. Like for me, I don't personally mind playing RPG's on a handheld, but some people won't want to play a lengthy involved game that way. Especially on iOS.

The example I'll give is Recca. Sure you can play it legally, so long as you want to play it on a 3DS. Nintendo may as well send a representative to my house with a set of pliers, because having someone rip the tendons out of my hand sounds about as pleasant as playing Recca on a 3DS D-pad.

Emulation tends to solve those kinds of problems
13-Feb-22 11:40pm
#18
DaLastDon25
Gold Good Trader

To play Devil's Advocate, it's become almost impossible to make a living with a physical store. I live in Los Angeles and there's five or six stores that aren't GameStop in a city of ten million people. The last arcade I know is selling off machines at a furious pace just so they can keep the doors open.

You just can't expect to get even close to 50% of market value when you're trading into a shop. It's unrealistic and unproductive. If you want a decent return, you have to put in the work. List your games here, on EBay, Facebook marketplace, or rent a booth at a swap meet and see how hard it is to turn a profit when everyone and their mother tries to lowball you.
14-Feb-22 1:07am
#19
flamingtoastjpn
Bronze Good Trader

DaLastDon25 wrote:
To play Devil's Advocate, it's become almost impossible to make a living with a physical store. I live in Los Angeles and there's five or six stores that aren't GameStop in a city of ten million people. The last arcade I know is selling off machines at a furious pace just so they can keep the doors open. You just can't expect to get even close to 50% of market value when you're trading into a shop. It's unrealistic and unproductive. If you want a decent return, you have to put in the work. List your games here, on EBay, Facebook marketplace, or rent a booth at a swap meet and see how hard it is to turn a profit when everyone and their mother tries to lowball you.
I'm going to push back on this. In my personal experience, many local game stores try charging market price + 20% or something obscene compared to eBay prices so that they can cover overhead. They also kill their own inventory by offering low trade in prices, so nobody wants to trade in high value games. That's a tough sell in the internet era when every buyer can look up a game's going rate, and every seller has a DSLR-ish quality camera in their pocket.

The common counterpoint I always hear is "if you buy online you can't actually see what item you're buying," but in my 300 or so online transactions, there have only been 3 times where the item's condition were worse than I expected. 2 of the 3 were my own fault for not looking at photos close enough. Even with disc scratches which can be hard to see, eBay sellers typically make an effort to take good pics if you just message them.

As far as lowball offers go, sellers who hold out for maximum prices are going to cry and call anything under the VGPC price a "lowball offer" but that's not always reflective of the market. A lot of sellers are just trying to move inventory and are happy to be flexible on price to make a sale. In my experience, saving 10% - 30% under pricecharting is pretty typical, and that's on eBay where sellers are getting another 11% or so skimmed off the top!
14-Feb-22 5:19am
#20
benstylus
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flamingtoastjpn wrote:
As far as lowball offers go, sellers who hold out for maximum prices are going to cry and call anything under the VGPC price a "lowball offer" but that's not always reflective of the market.
Have you tried selling anything on Facebook or are you just speaking from a buyer perspective? Because selling there can get you a LOT of lowball offers (or straight up scam offers, but we'll ignore those for the purpose of this argument). So low I would be embarrassed to know the person making the offer. Like if you were going to a dealership and trying to buy a new $30,000 sticker price car and you say to the dealer, "I'll offer you $4,000 cash for that car right now." The dealer shakes his head. "CASH," you repeat with emphasis.

We're not talking about 10 or 20 percent, but people trying to get 50 to 80 percent or more off your asking price. They are offering less than gamestop trade in value in a lot of cases. You know they aren't there to play the games, they just want to flip them and they hope you're desperate enough to need the cash.

Even after you reach a reasonable deal with someone and go to meet up to make the exchange, be prepared for the "ah, I forgot to go to the bank, all I got on me is $X, can you cut me a deal?"

Heck you even get a little of that sort of thing here sometimes...

You post a list of in the marketplace forums, other trader interested in a few games you have listed that add up to $50 + shipping. "Hey, would you be able to do $30 shipped?" When you tell them that's a pretty big drop from your asking price, "Oh, I must have added wrong, I meant to offer $x". Might be funny if it only happened once.

Or similarly, receiving an offer like "I know it's low, but would you take $30 shipped?" They are insinuating an apology, but lowballing anyway.

14-Feb-22 9:09am
#21
Cevil
Gold Good Trader

Even if I wanted to be a lowballer I don't think I could do it. It just feels like I'm stooping to the same level as a thief. I think it's different when someone throws out the "make me an offer" line. In that case I think throwing out a lower offer is okay. But when someone is asking $200 and you say $40, yeah, go to hell. Places like marketplace and offerup/craigslist are dominated by resellers. I would say upwards of 90% of your responses are going to be lowballers.
14-Feb-22 9:17am
#22
benstylus
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Cevil wrote:
But when someone is asking $200 and you say $40, yeah, go to hell.
I'm more in favor of sending offers like that when someone is asking $200 for an item that is worth nowhere near that. It's a waste of time, but at least it wastes their time too

If we assume the seller's asking price is reasonably in line with market expectations, though, I agree with you.

14-Feb-22 9:57am
#23
Cevil
Gold Good Trader

I could've been more specific but yes that is what I was going for. Agreed @benstylus
14-Feb-22 11:37am
#24
Gypsy
GameTZ Subscriber 250 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally

flamingtoastjpn wrote:
I'm going to push back on this. In my personal experience, many local game stores try charging market price + 20% or something obscene compared to eBay prices so that they can cover overhead. They also kill their own inventory by offering low trade in prices, so nobody wants to trade in high value games. That's a tough sell in the internet era when every buyer can look up a game's going rate, and every seller has a DSLR-ish quality camera in their pocket. The common counterpoint I always hear is "if you buy online you can't actually see what item you're buying," but in my 300 or so online transactions, there have only been 3 times where the item's condition were worse than I expected. 2 of the 3 were my own fault for not looking at photos close enough. Even with disc scratches which can be hard to see, eBay sellers typically make an effort to take good pics if you just message them. As far as lowball offers go, sellers who hold out for maximum prices are going to cry and call anything under the VGPC price a "lowball offer" but that's not always reflective of the market. A lot of sellers are just trying to move inventory and are happy to be flexible on price to make a sale. In my experience, saving 10% - 30% under pricecharting is pretty typical, and that's on eBay where sellers are getting another 11% or so skimmed off the top!
One of my first jobs was working at a game store, and I have a friend that runs a very successful one in this area. It's a tight squeeze. I think you generally gotta get to 50% in credit to get in anything good. Like you said these places will price above market to compensate. So you can do 50% credit pretty reasonably if you are moving at 120% (or worse). There is a place here that doesn't offer crap and well, they end up getting repros traded in, things in horrid condition etc... I send things to @Forgotten_Freshness over trading in at my friend's store. Which is funny, but FF is the best around. I do buy there though, because sometimes stuff is at exact price charting which is a steal for nice vintage games.

Also, $50 for a PS2 in great working order is a steal. He says, as a known PS2 hoarder. But no wonder that they can't keep them stocked at that price, it's too low.
14-Feb-22 2:23pm
#25
Sun
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I pretty much stopped collecting with the exception of whatever new Nintendo Specisl editions they might come out with related to Zelda, Fire Emblem, Metroid or Square-Enix RPG.

I'll probably sell a lot of my physical stuff down the road to recoup an entire room in my house.
14-Feb-22 2:46pm
#26
Renaissance2K
GameTZ Subscriber Triple Gold Good Trader Has Written 4 Reviews

benstylus wrote:
I guess the short version is there are still a ton of great games out there at affordable prices, and even more so if you are fluent in Japanese. Your $1,100 CIB copy of Chrono Trigger for the SNES can be had for $69.99 on the Super Famicom. Not knowing Japanese means you pay a 1,713% premium.
I know you have a pretty righteous stance on piracy - not posting here to agree or disagree with that - but there's a reasonably efficient way around this, at least for the cartridge, that might not breach most people's definition of piracy.

https://voultar.com/...

Voultar has developed a series of Stacker chips for NES and SNES cartridges that work similarly to how one would patch a dumped ROM. The chip get programmed with a patch - the same kind you'd find at RomHacking.net, or something similar - and is then soldered onto the cartridge PCB, patching the onboard ROM of the game at runtime. It's also totally reversible; you can de-solder the chip, and the cartridge is back to stock.

In other words, you can buy the Japanese copy of Chrono Trigger, pay the $30 to translate it, and play through the game as in English, sometimes with an even better translation than the Yankees originally got. If you can solder/flash on your own, you can buy the chips a la carte and do the legwork yourself.

I used this to patch the three SFC Final Fantasy games because of course I did. My 2020 playthrough of Final Fantasy V used a cartridge patched to use the FFVA translation of the game. I ran into one issue saving near the very end of the game, which ended up being the Super Nt's fault, but other than that, the process was seamless.

I don't know if there's a self-contained equivalent for disc games outside of the Polymega, which lets you dump a game from any region and then choose a patch when you decide to play it. I'm also fairly certain that - in spite of the First Sale Doctrine, open source licenses, translations not being sold for a profit, etc. - any corporate lawyer will be able to spin this as being illegal, even if it technically isn't. And, not gonna lie, I'd rather have the game on my shelf be in English like it was at EB Games all those years ago. But as the market becomes more and more restrictive to gamers with inflated pricing, I have a feeling the community is going to get more creative.

I've been building out my VGCollect profile and going back to find the original sale price for some of my games, and it's crazy just how much things have gone up post-COVID. It's stupid that Turtles in Time for the NES - which I bought for $7 thirteen years ago and everyone with an SNES seemed to have a copy of back in the day - is now over $100 for a cartridge only copy that someone's cat barfed on.

14-Feb-22 5:49pm
#27
flamingtoastjpn
Bronze Good Trader

benstylus wrote:
flamingtoastjpn wrote:> As far as lowball offers go, sellers who hold out for maximum prices are going to> cry and call anything under the VGPC price a "lowball offer" but that's not always> reflective of the market. Have you tried selling anything on Facebook or are you just speaking from a buyer perspective? Because selling there can get you a LOT of lowball offers (or straight up scam offers, but we'll ignore those for the purpose of this argument). So low I would be embarrassed to know the person making the offer. Like if you were going to a dealership and trying to buy a new $30,000 sticker price car and you say to the dealer, "I'll offer you $4,000 cash for that car right now." The dealer shakes his head. "CASH," you repeat with emphasis. We're not talking about 10 or 20 percent, but people trying to get 50 to 80 percent or more off your asking price. They are offering less than gamestop trade in value in a lot of cases. You know they aren't there to play the games, they just want to flip them and they hope you're desperate enough to need the cash. Even after you reach a reasonable deal with someone and go to meet up to make the exchange, be prepared for the "ah, I forgot to go to the bank, all I got on me is $X, can you cut me a deal?" Heck you even get a little of that sort of thing here sometimes... You post a list of in the marketplace forums, other trader interested in a few games you have listed that add up to $50 + shipping. "Hey, would you be able to do $30 shipped?" When you tell them that's a pretty big drop from your asking price, "Oh, I must have added wrong, I meant to offer $x". Might be funny if it only happened once. Or similarly, receiving an offer like "I know it's low, but would you take $30 shipped?" They are insinuating an apology, but lowballing anyway.
I've sold mostly on reddit and eBay and haven't had those issues. On reddit all offers have to be public, and on eBay you can autoreject offers under a certain amount, I feel like those policies really help. Interestingly enough, I have had great experiences with eBay posting a $100 game at a $40 starting bid or best offer. That tends to get buyers making a serious offer to start with so they don't have to deal with bidding, so maybe I sell that $100 game for $95 within an hour of listing.

I have heard that FB marketplace and Craigslist are a massive pain, so I always avoided those as both a buyer and seller. That said, I have not sold (or bought) any lots. 80% is just ridiculous, but 30-50% off sounds about right on what I would personally offer for a large lot which is on par to a little better than what you would get at a good local store. If you aren't selling everything individually, it makes sense that you'll get a lot less cash.
14-Feb-22 7:47pm
#28
Damian254
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Not to sound like a hipster, but retro game collecting has gone corporate. Yeah some retro game stores are just flat out vultures. Granted I'm outside a major city on the east coast so the price of everything is high ... When I complained about how much they pay you for games they said they have to sell games at 8x the cost they buy them at. 8x!!! You have to have an 800% mark up, but that's what it takes for them when you factor in monthly rent, electricity, internet, other expenses and if your business is in a shopping center they make you buy glass and fire insurance and that gets expensive fast.

Another store guy, who I would see at yard sales, flat out told me one time "I'm not giving you store credit for games that you picked up for a dollar apiece". Fudge them they don't deserve your business.

Honestly, eBay is still the best way to go even with them charging 12.55% and the whole new 10-99 tax stuff. Sell on eBay and use the money to buy what you want.
14-Feb-22 8:17pm
#29
Cevil
Gold Good Trader

The video game stores near me aren't too bad, generally priced around VGPC prices. I can't speak for retro games because I never see them, but as for non-retro not too bad. Last year I saw a copy of Pokemon SoulSilver for $120, Ys 8 for Switch for $55 (this was before the re-print), and Xenoblade 2 for $60. Not AMAZING prices by any means, but I guarantee if you tried Ebay you'd be paying a lot more. They kind of hold a monopoly on the area I think as they have 3 different locations, so maybe they have the luxury of selling games for cheaper due to tons of inventory.
14-Feb-22 8:57pm
#30
HEHEHATE
Silver Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally

For me it's all supply and demand. Authentic copies aren't being made anymore and this goes much greater with discs vs carts. Sure you can take your chances resurfacing a disc, but even that's not a guarantee and you run the risks on it. Another point is manual collecting which i think is going to explode in the next year or two more than it already has with these newer consoles avoiding the printing costs and making them strictly digital for the most part. This doesn't go for every game however, but at least we get them in collectors editions. The reproduction market is a pro or con it's great for casual gamers, but to collectors it should be a criminal act to advertise an authentic game and only receive a reproduction copy instead. It's like getting a lump of coal for christmas. People tend to forget theres a business side to all of this wether that's store operating costs, transactional fees, shipping rates, time management, negotiations etc. I've always been one to live by two mottos. You pay to play and you give to receive. Nothing gets me going more than someone saying well I can get it cheaper, but I'm still interested. If you can by all means I'll hold the door for you.
15-Feb-22 9:52am
#31
benstylus
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HEHEHATE wrote:
The reproduction market is a pro or con it's great for casual gamers, but to collectors it should be a criminal act to advertise an authentic game and only receive a reproduction copy instead.
It IS a criminal act. It is called Fraud.

Repros are just the new fancy term for pirated copies of games, but what makes them worse is they tend to look more authentic.

It's terrible all around. For people who don't know that such things exist, it's easy to buy and never know the difference until they later try to sell and the buyer goes off on them for selling bootlegs.

For people who do know they are pirated copies and buy them anyway, they are just throwing money away. If you are knowingly going to pirate stuff, why not just spend the money on an everdrive and stuff it with roms? It's exactly the same. If it's the shelf appeal you're going for, then it's like buying a Louis Vuitton bag at a swap meet. You know it's fake but you're trying to impress other people.

What satisfaction does that even bring? The satisfaction of knowing they are at least consistent in being as fake in real life as they are online?

You pay to play and you give to receive. Nothing gets me going more than someone saying well I can get it cheaper, but I'm still interested. If you can by all means I'll hold the door for you.
Perception is a very important thing on a site like this. If I remember someone as "that guy who brags about scalping the everloving crap out of things" or " the one who always lowballs me, but always wants top dollar for their items and won't budge on prices" then it's highly unlikely I'll offer much of a deal on anything I trade or sell to them, if I am willing to trade with them at all.

The "I can get it cheaper" mindset doesn't bother me so much, because sooner or later people learn that buying cheaper doesn't always have the best outcome.

15-Feb-22 10:17am
#32
Gypsy
GameTZ Subscriber 250 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally

Damian254 wrote:
Not to sound like a hipster, but retro game collecting has gone corporate. Yeah some retro game stores are just flat out vultures. Granted I'm outside a major city on the east coast so the price of everything is high ... When I complained about how much they pay you for games they said they have to sell games at 8x the cost they buy them at. 8x!!! You have to have an 800% mark up, but that's what it takes for them when you factor in monthly rent, electricity, internet, other expenses and if your business is in a shopping center they make you buy glass and fire insurance and that gets expensive fast.
I'm surprised they are making it but really if you need 800% that's not a great business model. Even the crappy place I worked at generally topped out at like, 400-500% mark-up. This was before even the first video game price boom. The owner was clearly ahead of his time lol.

Damian254 wrote:
Another store guy, who I would see at yard sales, flat out told me one time "I'm not giving you store credit for games that you picked up for a dollar apiece". Fudge them they don't deserve your business.
Lol, why should this matter? What a dork that guy is.

Cevil wrote:
The video game stores near me aren't too bad, generally priced around VGPC prices. I can't speak for retro games because I never see them, but as for non-retro not too bad. Last year I saw a copy of Pokemon SoulSilver for $120, Ys 8 for Switch for $55 (this was before the re-print), and Xenoblade 2 for $60. Not AMAZING prices by any means, but I guarantee if you tried Ebay you'd be paying a lot more. They kind of hold a monopoly on the area I think as they have 3 different locations, so maybe they have the luxury of selling games for cheaper due to tons of inventory.
I think most places have to at least compete with Gamestop on newer titles for the most part.

It's pretty hard to have inventory of old games if you are a new store. What my friend did was commit to taking a loss the first year or two and built an inventory of the older stuff by buying old games online. You don't want to open with barren shelves/crappy selection.

I'm always good with around VGPC pricing. I don't think there has been a year since he opened that I didn't spend $1,000+ there.

HEHEHATE wrote:
Nothing gets me going more than someone saying well I can get it cheaper, but I'm still interested. If you can by all means I'll hold the door for you.
I've told people straight up they should buy something for a price they claim they can get it for and if I'm feeling really frisky I'll ask where it is because I'll buy it. Usually though it's Gamestop when you can't find the game at 99% of Gamestops or a listing on eBay in MUCH WORSE condition.
15-Feb-22 10:27am
#33
benstylus
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@Gypsy, I'm not calling out specific people, and it's poor judgment for you to do so. If I were you I would delete those avatar/bio pics from your post

Personal attacks are not welcome at gametz

15-Feb-22 10:36am
#34
Antipop
GameTZ Subscriber Quadruple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally Has Written 11 Reviews

@Gypsy #selfplussersclub
15-Feb-22 10:37am
#35
Gypsy
GameTZ Subscriber 250 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally

I don't think there is much room for imagination especially with the first one but done..
15-Feb-22 10:37am
#36
Lunar
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benstylus wrote:
Perception is a very important thing on a site like this. If I remember someone as "that guy who brags about scalping the everloving crap out of things" or " the one who always lowballs me, but always wants top dollar for their items and won't budge on prices" then it's highly unlikely I'll offer much of a deal on anything I trade or sell to them, if I am willing to trade with them at all.
This is the problem when you've been around for so long. You kinda know most of the characters and what they're like.

15-Feb-22 10:39am
#37
benstylus
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Gypsy wrote:
I don't think there is much room for imagination especially with the first one but done..
Thankfully I have no idea who the first one was because I stay out of the find of the week thread

15-Feb-22 10:43am
#38
Gypsy
GameTZ Subscriber 250 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally

Lunar wrote:
benstylus wrote:> Perception is a very important thing on a site like this. If I remember someone> as "that guy who brags about scalping the everloving crap out of things" or " the> one who always lowballs me, but always wants top dollar for their items and won't> budge on prices" then it's highly unlikely I'll offer much of a deal on anything> I trade or sell to them, if I am willing to trade with them at all. This is the problem when you've been around for so long. You kinda know most of the characters and what they're like.
At this point, I think I've kindly told off most of the lowballers. Something along the lines of "if it's already under market by a bit, I'm not taking another $5 off". We are all adults here, we know what a reasonable offer is and prefacing it with a weasel worded I know this is a crap offer butttttt doesn't help lol.
15-Feb-22 11:04am
#39
DarkFact
GameTZ Subscriber 400 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Has Written 4 Reviews

I know I'm wasting your time BUT I'm skeezy, I can't help it! I got some discount lube, you dtf?
15-Feb-22 11:47am
#40
flamingtoastjpn
Bronze Good Trader

benstylus wrote:
HEHEHATE wrote: |>The reproduction market is a pro> or con it's great for casual gamers, but to collectors it should be a criminal act> to advertise an authentic game and only receive a reproduction copy instead. It IS a criminal act. It is called Fraud. Repros are just the new fancy term for pirated copies of games, but what makes them worse is they tend to look more authentic. It's terrible all around. For people who don't know that such things exist, it's easy to buy and never know the difference until they later try to sell and the buyer goes off on them for selling bootlegs. For people who do know they are pirated copies and buy them anyway, they are just throwing money away. If you are knowingly going to pirate stuff, why not just spend the money on an everdrive and stuff it with roms? It's exactly the same. If it's the shelf appeal you're going for, then it's like buying a Louis Vuitton bag at a swap meet. You know it's fake but you're trying to impress other people.
As much as I hate the practice of bootlegging common games to scam unknowing buyers, I don't mind bootlegs for translation patches. I used to have a complete authentic copy of Mother 3 to go with my copy of EarthBound, but honestly I'm far happier with my English bootleg since I can't read Japanese. Maybe buying it was throwing money away, but it was a lot cheaper than an everdrive haha.

Now that I think about it though, it should definitely be possible to get an authentic copy, dump it, apply the translation patch, write that to either a new ROM chip or whatever crap they use in the flash carts, and solder it back onto the board. I mean, I need a new soldering iron anyway...
15-Feb-22 12:28pm
#41
Kommie
GameTZ Subscriber 250 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader

Find of the Week thread is basically "Look what I'm gonna re-sell on eBay!" thread.
15-Feb-22 1:18pm
#42
Cevil
Gold Good Trader

Completely agree with @benstylus on fakes and that there are still plenty of games at affordable prices. The problem I have with fakes isn't so much that it's fraud but more so that it's a waste of money and pointless to own a fake. There's no satisfaction and you might as well just emulate.

Just a few cheap games that come to mind would be the Elder Scroll Series which are all cheap, Ty the Tasmanian Tiger series, and Beetle Adventure racing (N64). And there are lots more of course. And a quick note, just because a game is collectable and expensive doesn't mean it's worth your time. A lot of expensive retro games just kind of suck and are mind-numbingly difficult and are probably games you'll put down and never play again after like 5 hours. Are they really worth it?

@Kommie maybe but as for myself I don't use ebay and a lot of what I've found locally I've traded on here. I have lots more that I haven't listed because I'm moving soon and haven't consolidated all of it. (My gaming stuff is split up between a few places)

15-Feb-22 4:21pm
#43
Gypsy
GameTZ Subscriber 250 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally

Kommie wrote:
Find of the Week thread is basically "Look what I'm gonna re-sell on eBay!" thread.
I've had a lot of good transactions buying and selling from that thread but I get what you mean lol.
15-Feb-22 5:34pm
#44
benstylus
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Cevil wrote:
Completely agree with @benstylus on fakes and that there are still plenty of games at affordable prices. The problem I have with fakes isn't so much that it's fraud
Tell that to the ebay sellers with 20+ "brand new" cart only copies of games like order of ecclesia DS shipping from China.

I bet 99% of the people buying them don't know any better and are being defrauded


15-Feb-22 5:36pm
#45
Gypsy
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benstylus wrote:
Cevil wrote:> Completely agree with @benstylus on fakes and that there are still plenty of games> at affordable prices. The problem I have with fakes isn't so much that it's fraud Tell that to the ebay sellers with 20+ "brand new" cart only copies of games like order of ecclesia DS shipping from China. I bet 99% of the people buying them don't know any better and are being defrauded
Same with the anime bluray bootleggers that have popped up. Literally just putting a torrent on blank blurays and printing some artwork. Disgusting.
15-Feb-22 5:41pm
#46
Cevil
Gold Good Trader

@benstylus I agree, it is fraud and very sickening. A lot of people are getting scammed. In my head when I think of fakes my initial objection is that their just pointless, is what I meant.
15-Feb-22 6:09pm
#47
DarkFact
GameTZ Subscriber 400 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Has Written 4 Reviews

My first few orders from Amazon were Slayers DVD box sets. It didn't take me long to figure out they were Hong Kong ripoffs even without knowing what the hell that meant (other than someone on a Ragnarok Online shard shipping me DVD-R copies of the entire Yugioh series, wherein they call Mokuba "Wooden Horse" and Yami "King of Games"). I'm sure most people back then didn't know any better and just thought video quality was dook and subtitles were done by unpaid interns
15-Feb-22 7:43pm
#48
SupremeSarna
GameTZ Gold Subscriber Silver Good Trader

What, you don't have $1600 to drop on a bad Flintstones game?
15-Feb-22 8:22pm
#49
sailorneorune
GameTZ Subscriber Quadruple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (7) Has Written 3 Reviews

SupremeSarna wrote:
What, you don't have $1600 to drop on a bad Flintstones game?
No, because I can buy at least a couple dozen good games for that, more so if you include Virtual Console or PSN Classics.


15-Feb-22 8:33pm
#50
Damian254
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It IS a criminal act. It is called Fraud. Repros are just the new fancy term for pirated copies of games, but what makes them worse is they tend to look more authentic.|

This is absolutely correct. I don't care for emulation, but I would much rather someone do that than pay money for repros. All it does is prop up con artists
18-Feb-22 9:03am
#51
razeak
Double Gold Good Trader Has Written 9 Reviews

I can't ever shake the feeling something is off when I emulate in the sense that it's not on original hardware. That and I can feel a difference in some games. Even playing Super Mario Bros. on WiiU or Switch the jump just doesn't feel right.

That doesn't mean I don't have great fun emulating when I do, but it's less for action type games to me, which means I rarely settle for emulation unless there is just not any other way to do it.
18-Feb-22 9:14am
#52
Lunar
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razeak wrote:
I can't ever shake the feeling something is off when I emulate in the sense that it's not on original hardware. That and I can feel a difference in some games. Even playing Super Mario Bros. on WiiU or Switch the jump just doesn't feel right.
That's input latency. You sort of have the feeling Mario has on Iron Boots.

That doesn't mean I don't have great fun emulating when I do, but it's less for action type games to me, which means I rarely settle for emulation unless there is just not any other way to do it.
Emulation is getting alot better these days.

18-Feb-22 9:30am
#53
razeak
Double Gold Good Trader Has Written 9 Reviews

Lunar wrote:
razeak wrote:> I can't ever shake the feeling something is off when I emulate in the sense that> it's not on original hardware. That and I can feel a difference in some games. Even> playing Super Mario Bros. on WiiU or Switch the jump just doesn't feel right. That's input latency. You sort of have the feeling Mario has on Iron Boots.> That doesn't mean I don't have great fun emulating when I do, but it's less for action> type games to me, which means I rarely settle for emulation unless there is just> not any other way to do it. Emulation is getting alot better these days.
Right. The Switch version feels particularly bad to me. It takes me a level or two to adjust 35 years of muscle memory lol.
18-Feb-22 9:33am
#54
Lunar
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TVs do matter though. Maybe see if you have a Game Mode or something similar on your TV. Playing on the Switch screen is fine.

18-Feb-22 10:59am
#55
razeak
Double Gold Good Trader Has Written 9 Reviews

yeah. feels off on the swtich screen to me. Wiiu gamepad even more.
18-Feb-22 11:40am
#56
Staraang
Triple Gold Good Trader

Do you guys feel the latency on every emulator you use? I have a SNES Classic mini and I honestly cannot tell the difference between it and an original SNES. I don't know if this is because I've forgotten what it used to feel like back in the day or if I'm simply not sensitive to it. And this is across all kinds of games including SMW, F-Zero, SF2, etc. Maybe I need to do a side by side comparison but I just don't care enough to do that right now.
18-Feb-22 12:26pm
#57
Lunar
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The SNES mini is very good.

Recently I picked up a Retroid Pocket 2 here and it's got significant latency.

18-Feb-22 5:50pm
#58
flamingtoastjpn
Bronze Good Trader

If you're really sensitive to latency, consider going with an FPGA emulation option rather than software emulation. The MiSTer is the most affordable option if you don't mind ROMs. I will personally vouch for Analogue's products as well, but they're really only worth it if you have a cartridge collection.

Modern flat screens are pretty much just as good as CRT's on "game mode" or whatever they call the latency reduction settings nowadays.

There's a lot of ways you can try reducing latency. The emulator itself, the controller (wired vs wireless, or 2.4g vs bluetooth), and screen, etc. in my experience, sometimes the first party emulation options are lazily made and poor experiences because that's the easy legal way to emulate and companies figure they'll sell copies no matter what (looking at you, nintendo)
18-Feb-22 5:54pm
#59
Lunar
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De10 nano is $220+ now. Mister sadly is not cheap anymore.

18-Feb-22 6:44pm
#60
flamingtoastjpn
Bronze Good Trader

Lunar wrote:
De10 nano is $220+ now. Mister sadly is not cheap anymore.
Very good point, de10 nano used to be $120 or so if I'm remembering right. FPGA prices kinda suck right now with the chip shortage. I'm in grad school for electrical engineering and the old "cheap" FPGA used in our labs is now like $500 without the education discount. Just insanity.

Hopefully prices drop over the next 2-3 years
18-Feb-22 6:48pm
#61
benstylus
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flamingtoastjpn wrote:
Hopefully prices drop over the next 2-3 years
Just like game prices have

18-Feb-22 7:08pm
#62
flamingtoastjpn
Bronze Good Trader

benstylus wrote:
flamingtoastjpn wrote:> Hopefully prices drop over the next 2-3 years Just like game prices have
I'm gonna cover my ears and be blindly optimistic

Lalala I can't hear you
18-Feb-22 8:33pm
#63
Cevil
Gold Good Trader

Ignorance is bliss as they say.
19-Feb-22 1:09am
#64
SupremeSarna
GameTZ Gold Subscriber Silver Good Trader

razeak wrote:
yeah. feels off on the swtich screen to me. Wiiu gamepad even more.
I downloaded a certain unnamed NES game on my Wii U last night. Whenever I'd die, the screen would change and for whatever reason, the blackground would have to slowly change to be that color. It started red and turned blue before turning black. Pretty odd, and definitely inaccurate to the original game.
21-Feb-22 9:56am
#65
razeak
Double Gold Good Trader Has Written 9 Reviews

I never noticed latency on the SNES classic. I don't think I've ever fired up Super Mario World though. Now I'm curious.
21-Feb-22 3:50pm
#66
DarkFact
GameTZ Subscriber 400 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Has Written 4 Reviews

SNESC is pretty low latency. NES Classic audio latency was frickin' atrocious
21-Feb-22 6:57pm
#67
sailorneorune
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Went to a local shop today; someone traded in a bunch of NES games, including a former rental copy of Wacky Races. I felt my blood pressure go up as they were being priced out. I got OK prices on what I picked up (which, needless to say, did not include Wacky Races). If you're in southern Indiana, and want to try to pick it up though, it's still at Book Broker... soon to be on eBay. (Call them first; tell them the Cooleys sent you and we apologize in advance). #ugh

21-Feb-22 7:34pm
#68
Cevil
Gold Good Trader

What'd you get?
21-Feb-22 7:55pm
#69
sailorneorune
GameTZ Subscriber Quadruple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (7) Has Written 3 Reviews

Air Fortress, Yoshi's Cookie, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2 & 3 (all cart only, except TMNT 3 which has the manual)

Also picked up Super Mario All-Stars because why not.

22-Feb-22 9:14am
#70
Fitz
Double Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally

I still keep holding out to get rule of rose for a decent price but the longer I wait the more it goes up on ebay frown
22-Feb-22 10:17am
#71
sailorneorune
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Atlus has been a 4-letter word for game collectors for years, but I hoped against hope that they wouldn't, you know, look up eBay prices right in front of me for Wacky Races. I can only imagine what my blood pressure would have jumped to if they did have Rule of Rose.


22-Feb-22 11:17am
#72
benstylus
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I still think you are overreacting to them looking up ebay prices.

If they just slapped a ten dollar price tag on all of them, someone else would find it, snatch it up, and it would probably end up on eBay just the same. I'd rather Book Broker get the money than some random Evansvillain.

22-Feb-22 11:17am
#73
Cevil
Gold Good Trader

Is rule of rose actually any good tho
22-Feb-22 11:49am
#74
Boss
GameTZ Subscriber 700 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Gold Global Trader (8)

Gone are the days of finding video game treasures in the wild.
22-Feb-22 12:05pm
#75
Cevil
Gold Good Trader

@Boss Yeah can't really argue with that. Though I have found some awesome stuff the last couple years I just generally prefer not to share.
22-Feb-22 12:09pm
#76
Lunar
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There's still stuff out there. Just not as ubiquitous as before.

Makes sense as video game collecting is much more mainstream and well known now.

22-Feb-22 12:12pm
#77
Gypsy
GameTZ Subscriber 250 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally

Fitz wrote:
I still keep holding out to get rule of rose for a decent price but the longer I wait the more it goes up on ebay frown
It sucks but the general rule now is if you really want it to buy it because it's not going to get better on old stuff.

Cevil wrote:
@Boss Yeah can't really argue with that. Though I have found some awesome stuff the last couple years I just generally prefer not to share.
When I was really active about game hunting I would post all my finds. The negs fueled me.
22-Feb-22 1:01pm
#78
Cevil
Gold Good Trader

It's not that the salty negs bother me, it's just I prefer not to waste my time. what's the point? But it's been a while since I posted something so maybe I will. @Gypsy
22-Feb-22 1:19pm
#79
Gypsy
GameTZ Subscriber 250 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally

Cevil wrote:
It's not that the salty negs bother me, it's just I prefer not to waste my time. what's the point? But it's been a while since I posted something so maybe I will. @Gypsy
I like sharing pics and seeing what other people get too. I used to plus all the cool finds when I still had scoring turned on. I've bought and sold things posted there a fair bit. Most recent was a DVD set from @Foxhack
5-Mar-22 10:18am
#80
Gypsy
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Prices are so crazy now and it's getting harder and harder to find good condition cardboard even available.

Pended a trade last night and the values on the old stuff, just wow really. Doubled from even 2 years ago.

ETA: Awesome trade that I am very happy with to be clear, the money values are just :|
11-Mar-22 12:39pm
#81
ChronoLe
Double Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally

@Gypsy The premium on crispy boxes is real. Although I do feal like the prices have at least started to stabilize on most items. If you look at the price charting peak around September 2021, many cibs have come down significantly in price. Snes cib Chrono Trigger is a great example as I moved a few copies last year. Peak average at 1K; now you can get similar copies for significantly less. Not saying this is great by any means, prices are still ridiculous, but there seems to be a slight correction or leveling off.
4-Apr-22 10:36am
#82
Gypsy
GameTZ Subscriber 250 Trade Quintuple Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally

Opened a sealed PS1 game today. Popping the value by at least $180. 💪
4-Apr-22 11:31am
#83
Cevil
Gold Good Trader

@Gypsy

Boss mode activated
4-Apr-22 12:27pm
#84
ChronoLe
Double Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally

Gypsy wrote:
Opened a sealed PS1 game today. Popping the value by at least $180. 💪
Oh, you gotta let us know what game it is, hehehe.
4-Apr-22 1:03pm
#85
Gypsy
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@ChronoLe Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure

Going to play it after I'm done with what I am currently playing. Been years.
4-Apr-22 2:41pm
#86
incubus421
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Gypsy wrote:
@ChronoLe Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure Going to play it after I'm done with what I am currently playing. Been years.
Prinny Classics volume 3? or just wanted the OG experience?
4-Apr-22 2:43pm
#87
Gypsy
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@incubus421 I had agreed to the trade a day or two before that was announced lol. The other guy was nice enough to ask if I still wanted it which I did.
5-Apr-22 7:19pm
#88
ChronoLe
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Ooh, good one. I remember back in the day, I picked mine up at Gamestop when they were on a rack at $15 or 19.99. This was back in 2005. I think there was a reprint of this game and Persona 2 at the time, or old stock that they were getting rid of.
14-Apr-22 9:17am
#89
DarkFact
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This is what a real chad does. Buys sealed game to play, opens and plays. This tiny dick energy with people with sealed game collections, fudge off, I said angrily to someone doing something that doesn't affect me in the least and has no bearing on my own behavior.
14-Apr-22 9:29am
#90
benstylus
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DarkFact wrote:
This is what a real chad does. Buys sealed game to play, opens and plays. This tiny dick energy with people with sealed game collections, fudge off, I said angrily to someone doing something that doesn't affect me in the least and has no bearing on my own behavior.
Gamestop looks upon your post and smiles.

We open lots of sealed games, it says.

And we are some of the biggest D's around.

14-Apr-22 9:38am
#91
DarkFact
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Cracks open Space Marine, "used"

Cracks open Persona 5, "New, Last copy"
14-Apr-22 10:00am
#92
benstylus
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My sealed game collection lasts until I get home from the target b2g1 sale

12-May-22 2:10am
#93
dunno001
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I think I have to say I'm happy to not be in the 64DD market anymore. I thought I was crazy paying almost $500 for the golf game, now the only copy available is a scam-graded one for $20K. The other "expensive" games were about $100, now I see one actually sold for $1600, which, for record, is more than I paid for the entire collection, system, and accessories.
13-May-22 12:36pm
#94
ChronoLe
Double Gold Good Trader Global Trader - willing to trade internationally

dunno001 wrote:
I think I have to say I'm happy to not be in the 64DD market anymore. I thought I was crazy paying almost $500 for the golf game, now the only copy available is a scam-graded one for $20K. The other "expensive" games were about $100, now I see one actually sold for $1600, which, for record, is more than I paid for the entire collection, system, and accessories.
I met a local gamer who recently picked up the DD last month. I know everything is shooting up, but is this primarily a collectible? Or is there a holy grail like Snatcher that is a must have? I can only recall F Zero having a significant expansion.
13-May-22 2:45pm
#95
dunno001
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ChronoLe wrote:
dunno001 wrote:> I think I have to say I'm happy to not be in the 64DD market anymore. I thought I> was crazy paying almost $500 for the golf game, now the only copy available is a> scam-graded one for $20K. The other "expensive" games were about $100, now I see> one actually sold for $1600, which, for record, is more than I paid for the entire> collection, system, and accessories. I met a local gamer who recently picked up the DD last month. I know everything is shooting up, but is this primarily a collectible? Or is there a holy grail like Snatcher that is a must have? I can only recall F Zero having a significant expansion.
It's really more of a collectible. The "holy grail", if you will, is the golf game, but it's nothing special. There is also a SimCity expansion, but as the original game was Japanese only, it probably won't be of much interest...
13-May-22 6:40pm
#96
Missile
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The DD has a """""""""""""Holy Grail"""""""""""""""" but it's sure as hell isn't any of the "games", it's the supposed prototype for Mother 3, or the Super Mario 64 port that for some reason exists.

Being in the Retro Game Market is just depressing