So another shooting has rocked the US...
26-Oct-23 12:06am
#1 ft763
At least 3 location in Maine have been assaulted and the perp is considered armed and extremely dangerous. Stay safe people!
https://www.news.com...
Praying for y'all
#1 ft763
At least 3 location in Maine have been assaulted and the perp is considered armed and extremely dangerous. Stay safe people!
https://www.news.com...
Praying for y'all
26-Oct-23 7:06am
#2 MrBean
"565th mass shooting in the US this year."
Absolutely fudging insane.
'MURICA!
#2 MrBean
"565th mass shooting in the US this year."
Absolutely fudging insane.
'MURICA!
26-Oct-23 7:49am
#3 lordkaosu
On the plus side that's down so far. It was about 692 in 2021 and 648 for 2022.
#3 lordkaosu
On the plus side that's down so far. It was about 692 in 2021 and 648 for 2022.
26-Oct-23 8:58am
#4 Lunar
Can't count your chickens yet, there are still two more months in the year 😔
#4 Lunar
Can't count your chickens yet, there are still two more months in the year 😔
26-Oct-23 9:40am
#5 benstylus
Maybe it sounds a little callous but by and large these mass shootings don't affect me anymore.
We've had so many, and the people in power continue to wring their hands and send their "thoughts and prayers" to the victims, but no one actually makes substantive changes because they are more afraid of losing their seat than doing the right thing. Whether it's gun control or mental health care, it's easier to just spout platitudes in the moment and then ignore the problem and hope it goes away. Or that some other story will come along to distract us. And it works because we keep electing these people.
We have 600+ mass shootings every year because we deserve 600+ mass shootings every year for electing enablers.
#5 benstylus
Maybe it sounds a little callous but by and large these mass shootings don't affect me anymore.
We've had so many, and the people in power continue to wring their hands and send their "thoughts and prayers" to the victims, but no one actually makes substantive changes because they are more afraid of losing their seat than doing the right thing. Whether it's gun control or mental health care, it's easier to just spout platitudes in the moment and then ignore the problem and hope it goes away. Or that some other story will come along to distract us. And it works because we keep electing these people.
We have 600+ mass shootings every year because we deserve 600+ mass shootings every year for electing enablers.
26-Oct-23 9:42am
#6 Lunar
No one deserves 600+ mass shootings every year. We deserve better.
Not sure who's we but I don't vote for gun nuts.
#6 Lunar
No one deserves 600+ mass shootings every year. We deserve better.
Not sure who's we but I don't vote for gun nuts.
26-Oct-23 9:55am
#7 benstylus
f you plant corn, you aren't going to grow plums.
America is reaping the seeds that have been sown over the past decades. Deserved? Maybe, maybe not - that's not a point i'm super attached to. But we are getting exactly what we asked for... which may be even worse.
#7 benstylus
f you plant corn, you aren't going to grow plums.
America is reaping the seeds that have been sown over the past decades. Deserved? Maybe, maybe not - that's not a point i'm super attached to. But we are getting exactly what we asked for... which may be even worse.
26-Oct-23 10:31am
#9 bumsplikity
This really has me considering getting my concealed carry license. I realize this is me basically saying "i'll solve gun violence with a gun" but I'm at a loss as to what else I can do to protect myself and the people I care about. The "random" nature of these events is horrifying.
#9 bumsplikity
This really has me considering getting my concealed carry license. I realize this is me basically saying "i'll solve gun violence with a gun" but I'm at a loss as to what else I can do to protect myself and the people I care about. The "random" nature of these events is horrifying.
26-Oct-23 10:45am
#10 Lunar
Only way to deal with the gun epidemic is through legislation. I mean, yes you could arm yourself in case of emergency but that won't do any good long term.
#10 Lunar
Only way to deal with the gun epidemic is through legislation. I mean, yes you could arm yourself in case of emergency but that won't do any good long term.
26-Oct-23 10:47am
#11 bumsplikity
Lunar wrote:
Only way to deal with the gun epidemic is through legislation. I mean, yes you could arm yourself in case of emergency but that won't do any good long term.
Agree completely
#11 bumsplikity
Lunar wrote:
Only way to deal with the gun epidemic is through legislation. I mean, yes you could arm yourself in case of emergency but that won't do any good long term.
Agree completely
26-Oct-23 10:59am
#12 benstylus
Legislation won't work because it would need to be on a constitutional level. We can barely get one party to fully agree on anything, much less a 2/3 majority in congress followed by 38 individual state legislatures.
The only way anything will actually change is if the culture changes. If owning a gun is seen as a sign of weakness, mental deficiency, and a small penis instead of being seen as a symbol of liberty, power, and a small penis.
#12 benstylus
Legislation won't work because it would need to be on a constitutional level. We can barely get one party to fully agree on anything, much less a 2/3 majority in congress followed by 38 individual state legislatures.
The only way anything will actually change is if the culture changes. If owning a gun is seen as a sign of weakness, mental deficiency, and a small penis instead of being seen as a symbol of liberty, power, and a small penis.
26-Oct-23 11:08am
#14 benstylus
Lunar wrote:
It's been done before.
The last meaningful constitutional change was in the early 1970s, giving 18 year olds the right to vote. And that was hard fought.
The 27th amendment in 1992 (still over 30 years ago) was about when laws involving pay changes to congress take effect. Which I'm pretty sure most people don't care that much about.
And how do you implement a 'cultural change'?
It's a long term process. Unfortunaly it mostly involves waiing for old people to die since they rarely change their minds.
#14 benstylus
Lunar wrote:
It's been done before.
The last meaningful constitutional change was in the early 1970s, giving 18 year olds the right to vote. And that was hard fought.
The 27th amendment in 1992 (still over 30 years ago) was about when laws involving pay changes to congress take effect. Which I'm pretty sure most people don't care that much about.
And how do you implement a 'cultural change'?
It's a long term process. Unfortunaly it mostly involves waiing for old people to die since they rarely change their minds.
26-Oct-23 11:11am
#15 Lunar
I meant the assault rifle ban in the Clinton era.
https://en.wikipedia...
> And how do you implement a 'cultural change'? It's a long term process. Unfortunaly it mostly involves waiing for old people to die since they rarely change their minds.
Sadly, this sounds just as useful as thoughts and prayers.
#15 Lunar
I meant the assault rifle ban in the Clinton era.
https://en.wikipedia...
> And how do you implement a 'cultural change'? It's a long term process. Unfortunaly it mostly involves waiing for old people to die since they rarely change their minds.
Sadly, this sounds just as useful as thoughts and prayers.
26-Oct-23 11:16am
#16 benstylus
Which expired almost 20 years ago and has never been renewed. It also never made it to the Supreme Court so we don't know if it would have survived anyway. (Almost certainly not with the current court)
Those were also the pre-social media days, when reaching across the aisle and consensus building was considered a strength, rather than the hyperpartisanship we have now.
#16 benstylus
Which expired almost 20 years ago and has never been renewed. It also never made it to the Supreme Court so we don't know if it would have survived anyway. (Almost certainly not with the current court)
Those were also the pre-social media days, when reaching across the aisle and consensus building was considered a strength, rather than the hyperpartisanship we have now.
26-Oct-23 11:25am
#17 Lunar
There is definitely appetite on the left for a renewal. In the last congress, when Dems had the trifecta, 2 senators kept them back from pausing the filibuster, which would have pressed through many of the liberal agendas.
Anyway, all is to say, if the chaos that's going on in the House right now is any indication, Republicans will almost certainly lose their narrow majority in the House(which was gerrymandered to begin with), and if the Dems can hang on to their hairline majority in the senate(a taller order), and obviously keep the White House(lest we want Orange again), we might see some changes. Better than thoughts and prayers I suppose.
#17 Lunar
There is definitely appetite on the left for a renewal. In the last congress, when Dems had the trifecta, 2 senators kept them back from pausing the filibuster, which would have pressed through many of the liberal agendas.
Anyway, all is to say, if the chaos that's going on in the House right now is any indication, Republicans will almost certainly lose their narrow majority in the House(which was gerrymandered to begin with), and if the Dems can hang on to their hairline majority in the senate(a taller order), and obviously keep the White House(lest we want Orange again), we might see some changes. Better than thoughts and prayers I suppose.
26-Oct-23 11:28am
#18 MrBean
bumsplikity wrote:
This really has me considering getting my concealed carry license. I realize this is me basically saying "i'll solve gun violence with a gun" but I'm at a loss as to what else I can do to protect myself and the people I care about. The "random" nature of these events is horrifying.
Same boat. Never owned, nor wanted to own, but feels like it's gonna be a neccessary evil at some point. The inability to protect my family because of the insanity that may be at my doorstep some day is beyond scary.
#18 MrBean
bumsplikity wrote:
This really has me considering getting my concealed carry license. I realize this is me basically saying "i'll solve gun violence with a gun" but I'm at a loss as to what else I can do to protect myself and the people I care about. The "random" nature of these events is horrifying.
Same boat. Never owned, nor wanted to own, but feels like it's gonna be a neccessary evil at some point. The inability to protect my family because of the insanity that may be at my doorstep some day is beyond scary.
26-Oct-23 11:40am
#19 bumsplikity
@MrBean I encourage you to educate and arm yourself for the protection of your family. Crime does happen and criminals almost certainly will be armed because it's insanely easy to get guns in this country. Here in the south, you can go to a flea market and buy a gun. That's it. That's the entire process. No checks, no waiting period, just walk in with cash and walk out with a shotgun.
I absolutely support gun reform on a legislative level, but I also recognize that gun violence is a very real problem today and arming myself seems like a step I can take in the short term.
If anyone decides to purchase a firearm, do so responsibly. Educate yourself, take your weapon to a range and practice with it, devise a safe way to store away from children, etc etc etc. Owning a gun is a huge responsibility so do not take it lightly.
#19 bumsplikity
@MrBean I encourage you to educate and arm yourself for the protection of your family. Crime does happen and criminals almost certainly will be armed because it's insanely easy to get guns in this country. Here in the south, you can go to a flea market and buy a gun. That's it. That's the entire process. No checks, no waiting period, just walk in with cash and walk out with a shotgun.
I absolutely support gun reform on a legislative level, but I also recognize that gun violence is a very real problem today and arming myself seems like a step I can take in the short term.
If anyone decides to purchase a firearm, do so responsibly. Educate yourself, take your weapon to a range and practice with it, devise a safe way to store away from children, etc etc etc. Owning a gun is a huge responsibility so do not take it lightly.
26-Oct-23 11:45am
#20 Lunar
bumsplikity wrote:
If anyone decides to purchase a firearm, do so responsibly. Educate yourself, take your weapon to a range and practice with it, devise a safe way to store away from children, etc etc etc. Owning a gun is a huge responsibility so do not take it lightly.
#20 Lunar
bumsplikity wrote:
If anyone decides to purchase a firearm, do so responsibly. Educate yourself, take your weapon to a range and practice with it, devise a safe way to store away from children, etc etc etc. Owning a gun is a huge responsibility so do not take it lightly.
26-Oct-23 12:37pm
#21 Finn
bumsplikity wrote:
This really has me considering getting my concealed carry license. I realize this is me basically saying "i'll solve gun violence with a gun" but I'm at a loss as to what else I can do to protect myself and the people I care about. The "random" nature of these events is horrifying.
When you are averaging over 1 mass shooting a day is it really that random? odds are there will be another one tomorrow, the next day and well everyday until the calendar rolls over and we start anew. With all the tensions in the middle east December looks like it could be bad.
#21 Finn
bumsplikity wrote:
This really has me considering getting my concealed carry license. I realize this is me basically saying "i'll solve gun violence with a gun" but I'm at a loss as to what else I can do to protect myself and the people I care about. The "random" nature of these events is horrifying.
When you are averaging over 1 mass shooting a day is it really that random? odds are there will be another one tomorrow, the next day and well everyday until the calendar rolls over and we start anew. With all the tensions in the middle east December looks like it could be bad.
So another shooting has rocked the US...