GTZ Entitlement
11-Apr-23 9:19am
#1 MrBean
Hey all, apologies for the inbound rant, just frustrated and haven't spoken out on this sans a few comments here and there.
I write this from a place of simply trying to better understand. This continues to happen, and honestly at times it makes me want to bail on the site. I've gotten to the point that I don't even attempt to (or rarely) sell anything here anymore because of this behavior. I was reluctant to post last night, and within minutes, was reassured that my original stance was right - don't even bother.
Most of us are around the same age, been here for quite some time, and don’t partake in this etiquette. Yet, there's unfortunately a population of users here that seem to think otherwise, and it's one of the core problems that drives good people away.
Why is it, time and time again, that people get shun/negged, when they attempt to sell something at less than 800% off? We're all adults, we all look at eBay and other platforms, we know the price and value of items/time.
Sadly, we've seen this for years here. That someone posts something for sale, and it's a good deal ... but they get crap on because there's this I don’t know, sense of entitlement, that they should get an even better deal because GTZ? Sure, we're a community of gamers that look out and help one another, no doubt! Many here go above and beyond to do more for one another, which is why this site is amazing. Yet at the end of day, be realistic and look at the larger picture, before passing judgement and setting false expectations for yourself, and others.
Two examples just from this week.
1) User is selling a Steam deck, brand new, for $75 (11%) off. The first four reactions are negs.
2) I post a Zelda Pro Controller, asking for +$5 for time/gas/re-packaging and cost savings to you to avoid eBay, and I get called out publicly and privately.
Taking #2 further, as clearly, I'm in a bit of defense mode. I have, on multiple occasions, paid very handsomely (even above what was asked), for hard to find/sold out/rare items, as it's still a win for me being that it's cheaper than eBay. I recognize you could have sold it for more, and I appreciate that you're doing me a solid. Further, I've gone above and beyond to tip people for their time/service/etc. as it's not hard to see it's a win-win for both parties being that they don't have to deal with eBay/fee's/etc. and I'm getting it cheaper than eBay. Finally, I've sold many items at cost, and even given stuff away free. Yet, I attempt to ask for a whopping $5 to save you money, and everything goes out the window and I'm a bad person.
This is not the first time that this has happened either. Merely asking for a few bucks to use my packaging materials, my gas, my time, and reducing your cost of entry ... should be very much so inbounds, and expected, if you're ultimately getting a good deal at the expense of someone else. Last I checked, we're all adults, and time is money. I have no idea your financial situation, but I'd be willing to wager, most are above minimum wage here. Meaning, even that 30-60 minutes of your time to pack, print a label, drive to local store, drive back, etc. - is costing you money. For another to expect that their time and resources are free, is straight out wrong, and naive. Will that $5 make or break any of us? Absolutely not, but it's more the principal of the matter to reward and take care of those that take care of you.
What am I missing here? Why is there a stigma that some of the community thinks they should be getting everything free or massively discounted to the point that the other party is losing out? We all know the other person can go make more money if they want, so at least reward them for helping you out, even if they're not asking for it. If we continue this behavior in any of these scenario's, we're going to lose out on good people bringing us good deals as they'll simply favor selling elsewhere to avoid the pettiness exhibited here.
To those of you that don't partake in this mentality and behavior, you're awesome, and that is why we're still here. I truly appreciate each one of you that have helped me personally and others! I love seeing great deals go to great people!
#1 MrBean
Hey all, apologies for the inbound rant, just frustrated and haven't spoken out on this sans a few comments here and there.
I write this from a place of simply trying to better understand. This continues to happen, and honestly at times it makes me want to bail on the site. I've gotten to the point that I don't even attempt to (or rarely) sell anything here anymore because of this behavior. I was reluctant to post last night, and within minutes, was reassured that my original stance was right - don't even bother.
Most of us are around the same age, been here for quite some time, and don’t partake in this etiquette. Yet, there's unfortunately a population of users here that seem to think otherwise, and it's one of the core problems that drives good people away.
Why is it, time and time again, that people get shun/negged, when they attempt to sell something at less than 800% off? We're all adults, we all look at eBay and other platforms, we know the price and value of items/time.
Sadly, we've seen this for years here. That someone posts something for sale, and it's a good deal ... but they get crap on because there's this I don’t know, sense of entitlement, that they should get an even better deal because GTZ? Sure, we're a community of gamers that look out and help one another, no doubt! Many here go above and beyond to do more for one another, which is why this site is amazing. Yet at the end of day, be realistic and look at the larger picture, before passing judgement and setting false expectations for yourself, and others.
Two examples just from this week.
1) User is selling a Steam deck, brand new, for $75 (11%) off. The first four reactions are negs.
2) I post a Zelda Pro Controller, asking for +$5 for time/gas/re-packaging and cost savings to you to avoid eBay, and I get called out publicly and privately.
Taking #2 further, as clearly, I'm in a bit of defense mode. I have, on multiple occasions, paid very handsomely (even above what was asked), for hard to find/sold out/rare items, as it's still a win for me being that it's cheaper than eBay. I recognize you could have sold it for more, and I appreciate that you're doing me a solid. Further, I've gone above and beyond to tip people for their time/service/etc. as it's not hard to see it's a win-win for both parties being that they don't have to deal with eBay/fee's/etc. and I'm getting it cheaper than eBay. Finally, I've sold many items at cost, and even given stuff away free. Yet, I attempt to ask for a whopping $5 to save you money, and everything goes out the window and I'm a bad person.
This is not the first time that this has happened either. Merely asking for a few bucks to use my packaging materials, my gas, my time, and reducing your cost of entry ... should be very much so inbounds, and expected, if you're ultimately getting a good deal at the expense of someone else. Last I checked, we're all adults, and time is money. I have no idea your financial situation, but I'd be willing to wager, most are above minimum wage here. Meaning, even that 30-60 minutes of your time to pack, print a label, drive to local store, drive back, etc. - is costing you money. For another to expect that their time and resources are free, is straight out wrong, and naive. Will that $5 make or break any of us? Absolutely not, but it's more the principal of the matter to reward and take care of those that take care of you.
What am I missing here? Why is there a stigma that some of the community thinks they should be getting everything free or massively discounted to the point that the other party is losing out? We all know the other person can go make more money if they want, so at least reward them for helping you out, even if they're not asking for it. If we continue this behavior in any of these scenario's, we're going to lose out on good people bringing us good deals as they'll simply favor selling elsewhere to avoid the pettiness exhibited here.
To those of you that don't partake in this mentality and behavior, you're awesome, and that is why we're still here. I truly appreciate each one of you that have helped me personally and others! I love seeing great deals go to great people!
11-Apr-23 8:24pm
#41 KillerKlown
Staraang wrote:
FWIW, I would pay near eBay prices for a high-priced item from a trusted user here over buying it on eBay.
My argument is that Ebay prices aren't "real value." Once you realize fees take up 30-50% of the profit the true value is lower.
Just because it's $20 on Ebay doesn't mean the actual value is $20.
Ebay isn't a Beckett and two items can sell for two vastly different values based on seller ratings, time/date of the auction ending, location, etc...
Someone is currently is selling a PS5 on here for $510. I can buy it cheaper on Target.com right now with my Redcard.
If this person sold this on Ebay, they'd loose over $100 in seller fees/shipping/taxes.
What's the purpose of listing something here for retail price?
#41 KillerKlown
Staraang wrote:
FWIW, I would pay near eBay prices for a high-priced item from a trusted user here over buying it on eBay.
My argument is that Ebay prices aren't "real value." Once you realize fees take up 30-50% of the profit the true value is lower.
Just because it's $20 on Ebay doesn't mean the actual value is $20.
Ebay isn't a Beckett and two items can sell for two vastly different values based on seller ratings, time/date of the auction ending, location, etc...
Someone is currently is selling a PS5 on here for $510. I can buy it cheaper on Target.com right now with my Redcard.
If this person sold this on Ebay, they'd loose over $100 in seller fees/shipping/taxes.
What's the purpose of listing something here for retail price?
11-Apr-23 8:39pm
#42 Porksta
If items sell on eBay for $x that is the current price. People are paying that much for the item. They don't stop to think about the seller fees. They pay what they think is fair value.
#42 Porksta
If items sell on eBay for $x that is the current price. People are paying that much for the item. They don't stop to think about the seller fees. They pay what they think is fair value.
11-Apr-23 8:59pm
#43 benstylus
KillerKlown wrote:
Staraang wrote:> FWIW, I would pay near eBay prices for a high-priced item from a trusted user here> over buying it on eBay. My argument is that Ebay prices aren't "real value." Once you realize fees take up 30-50% of the profit the true value is lower.
For most categories ebay fees are 13% to 15% of the total (including tax and shipping), plus $0.30
So unless you are giving free or heavily discounted shipping or selling really cheap items, 50% seems way too high to be believable.
#43 benstylus
KillerKlown wrote:
Staraang wrote:> FWIW, I would pay near eBay prices for a high-priced item from a trusted user here> over buying it on eBay. My argument is that Ebay prices aren't "real value." Once you realize fees take up 30-50% of the profit the true value is lower.
For most categories ebay fees are 13% to 15% of the total (including tax and shipping), plus $0.30
So unless you are giving free or heavily discounted shipping or selling really cheap items, 50% seems way too high to be believable.
11-Apr-23 9:09pm
#44 KillerKlown
Porksta wrote:
If items sell on eBay for $x that is the current price. People are paying that much for the item. They don't stop to think about the seller fees. They pay what they think is fair value.
Not necessarily. Around 50% of auctions are Buy It Now auctions where the seller sets the price.
You gotta look at the median price. Like if one copy sells for $100 and one sells for $50 that doesn't make the value $100.
Same with months of the year. Something that sold in December doesn't hold the same value today.
There's also money laundering and fake pricing on Ebay.
You gotta factor in the average price over the last couple of months.
Example: Let's say I have 10 copies of Haunting Ground sealed.....
Every couple of weeks or months I might list one and have a buddy of mine win it at an astronomical price.
That sets the price precedent and will inflate the market price. This happens all of the time in the collectibles market.
It's like the time Mario 64 sold for 1 million on Ebay yet the highest one sold prior with a super high grade was like 40k....
Just because it sold for a mill doesn't make it worth a mill. It just begins to inflate the average market price.
The value is what the average person will pay unless you have a pristine rare copy of something so a price comparison can't easily be made.
That can change the value drastically.
Offering used items on here for the same price as something I can buy right now retail serves no purpose on this site.
You can offer something here for the exact same price as Ebay, but I doubt you're going to get very many offers.
I would purchase on Ebay for the price back guarantee.
Regardless I don't think I've ever downvoted anyone based on pricing.
I think downvotes should be turned off entirely.
#44 KillerKlown
Porksta wrote:
If items sell on eBay for $x that is the current price. People are paying that much for the item. They don't stop to think about the seller fees. They pay what they think is fair value.
Not necessarily. Around 50% of auctions are Buy It Now auctions where the seller sets the price.
You gotta look at the median price. Like if one copy sells for $100 and one sells for $50 that doesn't make the value $100.
Same with months of the year. Something that sold in December doesn't hold the same value today.
There's also money laundering and fake pricing on Ebay.
You gotta factor in the average price over the last couple of months.
Example: Let's say I have 10 copies of Haunting Ground sealed.....
Every couple of weeks or months I might list one and have a buddy of mine win it at an astronomical price.
That sets the price precedent and will inflate the market price. This happens all of the time in the collectibles market.
It's like the time Mario 64 sold for 1 million on Ebay yet the highest one sold prior with a super high grade was like 40k....
Just because it sold for a mill doesn't make it worth a mill. It just begins to inflate the average market price.
The value is what the average person will pay unless you have a pristine rare copy of something so a price comparison can't easily be made.
That can change the value drastically.
Offering used items on here for the same price as something I can buy right now retail serves no purpose on this site.
You can offer something here for the exact same price as Ebay, but I doubt you're going to get very many offers.
I would purchase on Ebay for the price back guarantee.
Regardless I don't think I've ever downvoted anyone based on pricing.
I think downvotes should be turned off entirely.
11-Apr-23 9:14pm
#45 KillerKlown
benstylus wrote:
KillerKlown wrote:> Staraang wrote: |>> FWIW, I would pay near eBay prices for a high-priced item from a trusted user> here |>> over buying it on eBay.> > My argument is that Ebay prices aren't "real value." Once you realize fees take up> 30-50% of the profit the true value is lower. > For most categories ebay fees are 13% to 15% of the total (including tax and shipping), plus $0.30 So unless you are giving free or heavily discounted shipping or selling really cheap items, 50% seems way too high to be believable.
You also need to factor in ink to print shipping label, driving to the post office to drop off the package, shipping materials, etc...
On a $10 item, shipping alone can cost 50% of that. The post office is super picky on what can be shipped media mail.
But just one CD is like $3-$4 now.
That said, when you're selling on Ebay you get a discount on shipping fees. What is it 10-20%? I can't remember.
So that's an advantage I hadn't thought about.
But.... if something is messed up on Ebay you can ship it back free of charge.... They send you a prepaid label. On here there's no protections.
#45 KillerKlown
benstylus wrote:
KillerKlown wrote:> Staraang wrote: |>> FWIW, I would pay near eBay prices for a high-priced item from a trusted user> here |>> over buying it on eBay.> > My argument is that Ebay prices aren't "real value." Once you realize fees take up> 30-50% of the profit the true value is lower. > For most categories ebay fees are 13% to 15% of the total (including tax and shipping), plus $0.30 So unless you are giving free or heavily discounted shipping or selling really cheap items, 50% seems way too high to be believable.
You also need to factor in ink to print shipping label, driving to the post office to drop off the package, shipping materials, etc...
On a $10 item, shipping alone can cost 50% of that. The post office is super picky on what can be shipped media mail.
But just one CD is like $3-$4 now.
That said, when you're selling on Ebay you get a discount on shipping fees. What is it 10-20%? I can't remember.
So that's an advantage I hadn't thought about.
But.... if something is messed up on Ebay you can ship it back free of charge.... They send you a prepaid label. On here there's no protections.
11-Apr-23 9:26pm
#46 loztdogs
bill wrote:
I didn't realize this may have been more about the scalping comment by @KCPenguins in that other Zelda topic. I wouldn't call you a drama queen, but it does seem like you're overreacting. It's OK to do that. I'm not holding it against you. Stuff gets under my skin sometimes too. People are gonna disagree about prices, that's pretty much universal across all human civilization. "scalping" is like this uber insult here, but it seems kind of absurd too. Aren't we all trying to make a little profit where we can... Honestly, I clicked ignore on that TotK topic recently because it mostly became people posting about special editions and spoons. I'm interested in playing the game, but I've never been a collector. It makes me a little nauseous to see people froth at the mouth when Nintendo creates these gimmicks. Maybe it's this hyper collector attitude that's driving people away and causing us to lose good people!
See what I did there? A lot of these "problem with the site" topics are subjective. I think it would have been better to shrug off the scalping comment and keep your sales topic up... see how it goes. Maybe it would have sold. You just need one person to say yes to sell something. Or just use Ebay, whatever. I use it sometimes too, most of us do and have for decades. I don't think this bad experience is especially related to the Steam Deck negging. Linking bad experiences like this to the site's decline is not especially accurate or helpful in my opinion. Also, for the love of donuts, lets not stir up that (GTZDOOM) hoary old chestnut. I hope the tone of what I'm saying here comes off respectfully. That's how I mean it.
This pretty much sums it up and to add, have a thicker skin.
#46 loztdogs
bill wrote:
I didn't realize this may have been more about the scalping comment by @KCPenguins in that other Zelda topic. I wouldn't call you a drama queen, but it does seem like you're overreacting. It's OK to do that. I'm not holding it against you. Stuff gets under my skin sometimes too. People are gonna disagree about prices, that's pretty much universal across all human civilization. "scalping" is like this uber insult here, but it seems kind of absurd too. Aren't we all trying to make a little profit where we can... Honestly, I clicked ignore on that TotK topic recently because it mostly became people posting about special editions and spoons. I'm interested in playing the game, but I've never been a collector. It makes me a little nauseous to see people froth at the mouth when Nintendo creates these gimmicks. Maybe it's this hyper collector attitude that's driving people away and causing us to lose good people!
See what I did there? A lot of these "problem with the site" topics are subjective. I think it would have been better to shrug off the scalping comment and keep your sales topic up... see how it goes. Maybe it would have sold. You just need one person to say yes to sell something. Or just use Ebay, whatever. I use it sometimes too, most of us do and have for decades. I don't think this bad experience is especially related to the Steam Deck negging. Linking bad experiences like this to the site's decline is not especially accurate or helpful in my opinion. Also, for the love of donuts, lets not stir up that (GTZDOOM) hoary old chestnut. I hope the tone of what I'm saying here comes off respectfully. That's how I mean it.This pretty much sums it up and to add, have a thicker skin.
11-Apr-23 9:42pm
#47 Gypsy
Sleigh wrote:
Audience is *way* less wide than ebay. Probably in the tens or hundreds of thousands level of magnitude. Seems like a large portion of topics I see end up unsold even if the price is right. On ebay you just list it and keep it listed perpetually, someone comes along that's right for it eventually.
A lot of really good points and discussions going on here but this is a big one. The userbase here is so small you really don't know if there will be a market for something or not. Even with multiple collectors around, all the people that would be interested here might already have it.
Since the tax change situation I've been working very hard to not sell on eBay. This requires a lot of using a bunch of different places to sell. Most stuff I sell doesn't end up here. I sell Laserdiscs on the laserdisc site. Like everywhere except GTZ to @DarkFact earlier point regular paypal is the expectation here so tax stuff is still at play but the selling fees are a ton less and in this case you are probably getting most of the target audience. I don't want casual eBay buyers that don't understand the format anyway, sounds like a headache. I sell figures on a figure site (the longest any listing has lasted is like a week, with a 100% sale rate). Zero fees there, which is wonderful. Most games I sell at this point it happens through discord. Most stuff just doesn't make it here though I sometimes still make a thread and am pleasantly surprised. I still buy a lot on this site and genuinely enjoy chatting with many of the users here. The repeat buyer pro applies to these other options as well. They all involve having to talk to people to do the deal, which I enjoy over the eBay experience.
loztdogs wrote:
This pretty much sums it up and to add, have a thicker skin.
Also this.
#47 Gypsy
Sleigh wrote:
Audience is *way* less wide than ebay. Probably in the tens or hundreds of thousands level of magnitude. Seems like a large portion of topics I see end up unsold even if the price is right. On ebay you just list it and keep it listed perpetually, someone comes along that's right for it eventually.
A lot of really good points and discussions going on here but this is a big one. The userbase here is so small you really don't know if there will be a market for something or not. Even with multiple collectors around, all the people that would be interested here might already have it.
Since the tax change situation I've been working very hard to not sell on eBay. This requires a lot of using a bunch of different places to sell. Most stuff I sell doesn't end up here. I sell Laserdiscs on the laserdisc site. Like everywhere except GTZ to @DarkFact earlier point regular paypal is the expectation here so tax stuff is still at play but the selling fees are a ton less and in this case you are probably getting most of the target audience. I don't want casual eBay buyers that don't understand the format anyway, sounds like a headache. I sell figures on a figure site (the longest any listing has lasted is like a week, with a 100% sale rate). Zero fees there, which is wonderful. Most games I sell at this point it happens through discord. Most stuff just doesn't make it here though I sometimes still make a thread and am pleasantly surprised. I still buy a lot on this site and genuinely enjoy chatting with many of the users here. The repeat buyer pro applies to these other options as well. They all involve having to talk to people to do the deal, which I enjoy over the eBay experience.
loztdogs wrote:
This pretty much sums it up and to add, have a thicker skin.
Also this.
11-Apr-23 9:42pm
#48 DarkFact
Porksta wrote:
If items sell on eBay for $x that is the current price. People are paying that much for the item. They don't stop to think about the seller fees. They pay what they think is fair value.
That's a very Porksta thing to say. I'll say, when I sell something on ebay, that price is imaginary. The buyer's just paying a price, it's not what they "want" to pay, it's what they pay, and that's not even all they pay; they also pay for taxes on top. You entitled to Sam's cut? We know we're getting closer to 80-75% of that listed price, depending on the category. THAT'S the real money, the whole point of being in a trusted community is to find a way to meet in the middle and come to something amicable, not to squeeze your GTZ bros for every dime you can because "Hey the buyer pays what they pay, so you pay that too". We're on the other side of that fog of war; everyone understands the $100 thing is actually $80 in your pocket, less if you didn't make them pay for shipping. Pretending we don't so you can carve out a couple more bills is kinda fudgein lame. Worst case is you dump it on a mom and pop shop to get 50% of market in cash, "best" case is throw it on ebay and get 70-80% of the listing price and start tallying up your profitable sales for end of year.
VGPC doesn't factor in the nuance that makes up reality, it takes the dumbest, most thoughtless approach to its evaluation: "Final price was this, average equals this" and it makes mistakes allllllll the fudgein time. We're smarter than VGPC, I hope.
All that said, if anyone wants to list something at inflated price, or MSRP plus convenience fee, or 100% VGPC Bible Truth price, that's also a totally valid option. Don't cry about feedback, verbal or otherwise, if it doesn't move as quickly as you'd like.
#48 DarkFact
Porksta wrote:
If items sell on eBay for $x that is the current price. People are paying that much for the item. They don't stop to think about the seller fees. They pay what they think is fair value.
That's a very Porksta thing to say. I'll say, when I sell something on ebay, that price is imaginary. The buyer's just paying a price, it's not what they "want" to pay, it's what they pay, and that's not even all they pay; they also pay for taxes on top. You entitled to Sam's cut? We know we're getting closer to 80-75% of that listed price, depending on the category. THAT'S the real money, the whole point of being in a trusted community is to find a way to meet in the middle and come to something amicable, not to squeeze your GTZ bros for every dime you can because "Hey the buyer pays what they pay, so you pay that too". We're on the other side of that fog of war; everyone understands the $100 thing is actually $80 in your pocket, less if you didn't make them pay for shipping. Pretending we don't so you can carve out a couple more bills is kinda fudgein lame. Worst case is you dump it on a mom and pop shop to get 50% of market in cash, "best" case is throw it on ebay and get 70-80% of the listing price and start tallying up your profitable sales for end of year.
VGPC doesn't factor in the nuance that makes up reality, it takes the dumbest, most thoughtless approach to its evaluation: "Final price was this, average equals this" and it makes mistakes allllllll the fudgein time. We're smarter than VGPC, I hope.
All that said, if anyone wants to list something at inflated price, or MSRP plus convenience fee, or 100% VGPC Bible Truth price, that's also a totally valid option. Don't cry about feedback, verbal or otherwise, if it doesn't move as quickly as you'd like.
11-Apr-23 10:15pm
#49 Staraang
People just spend way too much time opining about prices frankly. I get that if a price is egregious you want to neg or say something to protect your GTZ brethren. Or do the opposite and praise pricing to support a seller. But when it gets nitpicky? Just don’t bother and let the market sort it out.
#49 Staraang
People just spend way too much time opining about prices frankly. I get that if a price is egregious you want to neg or say something to protect your GTZ brethren. Or do the opposite and praise pricing to support a seller. But when it gets nitpicky? Just don’t bother and let the market sort it out.
12-Apr-23 8:43am
#52 Tony
I think too many people watch shows like Pawn Stars and American Pickers and believe they can negotiate a much lower price by telling the seller that the item isn't worth as much as they're asking. An item is only worth what someone is willing to pay you for it. If you don't like the price someone is asking, you are free to pass and wait for one to be sold at a price you like. If you think someone on this site is price gouging or scalping, let it go. You don't need to call them on it. They won't get a buyer unless someone is willing to pay it.
Many years ago I saw a flyer for a book that was going to teach you how to negotiate. It wasn't your typical business seminar type book. It started with the premise that "if you are a nice guy, you are getting taken advantage of (the actual flyer used the F word)". It said this book would teach you how to be a SOB and get what you deserved. Today it would be called something like "How to be a Mega Karen". Through the years I met more than a few people who followed this kind of philosophy. It may work in the short run, but it isn't going to win you any friends and will hurt when you try to do repeat business.
My recommendation: Show some respect. Show some class. Treat other users are you want to be treated.
#52 Tony
I think too many people watch shows like Pawn Stars and American Pickers and believe they can negotiate a much lower price by telling the seller that the item isn't worth as much as they're asking. An item is only worth what someone is willing to pay you for it. If you don't like the price someone is asking, you are free to pass and wait for one to be sold at a price you like. If you think someone on this site is price gouging or scalping, let it go. You don't need to call them on it. They won't get a buyer unless someone is willing to pay it.
Many years ago I saw a flyer for a book that was going to teach you how to negotiate. It wasn't your typical business seminar type book. It started with the premise that "if you are a nice guy, you are getting taken advantage of (the actual flyer used the F word)". It said this book would teach you how to be a SOB and get what you deserved. Today it would be called something like "How to be a Mega Karen". Through the years I met more than a few people who followed this kind of philosophy. It may work in the short run, but it isn't going to win you any friends and will hurt when you try to do repeat business.
My recommendation: Show some respect. Show some class. Treat other users are you want to be treated.
12-Apr-23 9:08am
#53 Joeya2001
KillerKlown wrote:
Staraang wrote:> FWIW, I would pay near eBay prices for a high-priced item from a trusted user here> over buying it on eBay. My argument is that Ebay prices aren't "real value." Once you realize fees take up 30-50% of the profit the true value is lower. Just because it's $20 on Ebay doesn't mean the actual value is $20. Ebay isn't a Beckett and two items can sell for two vastly different values based on seller ratings, time/date of the auction ending, location, etc... Someone is currently is selling a PS5 on here for $510. I can buy it cheaper on Target.com right now with my Redcard. If this person sold this on Ebay, they'd loose over $100 in seller fees/shipping/taxes. What's the purpose of listing something here for retail price?
Lol Beckett, haven’t heard that in quite some time, I use to trade cards on sportscardforums, and when your tried to reference Beckett, they would counter eBay.
#53 Joeya2001
KillerKlown wrote:
Staraang wrote:> FWIW, I would pay near eBay prices for a high-priced item from a trusted user here> over buying it on eBay. My argument is that Ebay prices aren't "real value." Once you realize fees take up 30-50% of the profit the true value is lower. Just because it's $20 on Ebay doesn't mean the actual value is $20. Ebay isn't a Beckett and two items can sell for two vastly different values based on seller ratings, time/date of the auction ending, location, etc... Someone is currently is selling a PS5 on here for $510. I can buy it cheaper on Target.com right now with my Redcard. If this person sold this on Ebay, they'd loose over $100 in seller fees/shipping/taxes. What's the purpose of listing something here for retail price?
Lol Beckett, haven’t heard that in quite some time, I use to trade cards on sportscardforums, and when your tried to reference Beckett, they would counter eBay.
12-Apr-23 9:16am
#54 Sleigh
nonamesleft wrote:
@Sleigh What did you by "trading of beans in a telescope?" Tried looking it up, beans in a telescope, couldn't find results.
I'm not actually sure what the real saying is but basically people who can gain trade value just off of their trading skills. Someone who might take a $1 game and off of 50 trades, finding the right people, might walk away with a $1000 game without putting further things into the mix.
There's an episode of The Office where it happens, albeit comically.
https://www.youtube....
#54 Sleigh
nonamesleft wrote:
@Sleigh What did you by "trading of beans in a telescope?" Tried looking it up, beans in a telescope, couldn't find results.
I'm not actually sure what the real saying is but basically people who can gain trade value just off of their trading skills. Someone who might take a $1 game and off of 50 trades, finding the right people, might walk away with a $1000 game without putting further things into the mix.
There's an episode of The Office where it happens, albeit comically.
https://www.youtube....
12-Apr-23 9:41am
#57 Joeya2001
Porksta wrote:
Trade-up? The paperclip challenge made this popular.
The ultimate trade up is turning a sperm into Elon Musk
#57 Joeya2001
Porksta wrote:
Trade-up? The paperclip challenge made this popular.
The ultimate trade up is turning a sperm into Elon Musk
12-Apr-23 9:47am
#58 Staraang
Tony wrote:
I think too many people watch shows like Pawn Stars and American Pickers and believe they can negotiate a much lower price by telling the seller that the item isn't worth as much as they're asking. An item is only worth what someone is willing to pay you for it. If you don't like the price someone is asking, you are free to pass and wait for one to be sold at a price you like. If you think someone on this site is price gouging or scalping, let it go. You don't need to call them on it. They won't get a buyer unless someone is willing to pay it.
The thing that's funny about this critiquing of prices, casting judgement on "gougers", etc. is that a lot of it is cultural. Yes, it's rooted in people's sense of fairness which is a human trait. But if you go to other parts of the world, walk through a market, and try to buy something it's basically guaranteed you're going to be given some insanely high price with the expectation that you'll haggle it down to something reasonable. And nobody takes it personally. At the end of the sale, whether it occurs or not, nobody is judging anyone. The buyer and the seller are not judging one another. Nor are spectators judging them either. In fact nobody gives two craps. It's implicitly understood everyone is trying to get the best deal possible.
It's just a stunning contrast to how personally people can take a lowball offer - to the point of insult - or how others can judge Bean for a marginally high price. Really when you think about it it's just a waste of mental bandwidth.
#58 Staraang
Tony wrote:
I think too many people watch shows like Pawn Stars and American Pickers and believe they can negotiate a much lower price by telling the seller that the item isn't worth as much as they're asking. An item is only worth what someone is willing to pay you for it. If you don't like the price someone is asking, you are free to pass and wait for one to be sold at a price you like. If you think someone on this site is price gouging or scalping, let it go. You don't need to call them on it. They won't get a buyer unless someone is willing to pay it.
The thing that's funny about this critiquing of prices, casting judgement on "gougers", etc. is that a lot of it is cultural. Yes, it's rooted in people's sense of fairness which is a human trait. But if you go to other parts of the world, walk through a market, and try to buy something it's basically guaranteed you're going to be given some insanely high price with the expectation that you'll haggle it down to something reasonable. And nobody takes it personally. At the end of the sale, whether it occurs or not, nobody is judging anyone. The buyer and the seller are not judging one another. Nor are spectators judging them either. In fact nobody gives two craps. It's implicitly understood everyone is trying to get the best deal possible.
It's just a stunning contrast to how personally people can take a lowball offer - to the point of insult - or how others can judge Bean for a marginally high price. Really when you think about it it's just a waste of mental bandwidth.
12-Apr-23 9:55am
#59 Joeya2001
I’ll tell you what tho, my last 2 conversations on here, someone, one was for a trade how much I would include for cash, I said how much, never replied.
The second one, they asked how much, I have a price and still waiting for a reply lol even tho during the deal talking process they responded pretty fast. I just stop reaching out at that point.
#59 Joeya2001
I’ll tell you what tho, my last 2 conversations on here, someone, one was for a trade how much I would include for cash, I said how much, never replied.
The second one, they asked how much, I have a price and still waiting for a reply lol even tho during the deal talking process they responded pretty fast. I just stop reaching out at that point.
12-Apr-23 10:06am
#60 Staraang
Joeya2001 wrote:
I’ll tell you what tho, my last 2 conversations on here, someone, one was for a trade how much I would include for cash, I said how much, never replied. The second one, they asked how much, I have a price and still waiting for a reply lol even tho during the deal talking process they responded pretty fast. I just stop reaching out at that point.
You're going to get people like that anywhere you're trying to negotiate a deal, not just GTZ. I would just move on.
#60 Staraang
Joeya2001 wrote:
I’ll tell you what tho, my last 2 conversations on here, someone, one was for a trade how much I would include for cash, I said how much, never replied. The second one, they asked how much, I have a price and still waiting for a reply lol even tho during the deal talking process they responded pretty fast. I just stop reaching out at that point.
You're going to get people like that anywhere you're trying to negotiate a deal, not just GTZ. I would just move on.
12-Apr-23 10:39am
#61 Gypsy
Tony wrote:
My recommendation: Show some respect. Show some class. Treat other users are you want to be treated.
Yeah this is a lot of it. Some stuff makes me immediately check out ie citing the price at Gamestop, citing much worse condition eBay listings etc... I understand wanting a deal but being respectful is important.
Joeya2001 wrote:
I’ll tell you what tho, my last 2 conversations on here, someone, one was for a trade how much I would include for cash, I said how much, never replied. The second one, they asked how much, I have a price and still waiting for a reply lol even tho during the deal talking process they responded pretty fast. I just stop reaching out at that point.
Often times people don't bother responding if the answer is no. I am guilty of this as well, but am trying to be better about it.
#61 Gypsy
Tony wrote:
My recommendation: Show some respect. Show some class. Treat other users are you want to be treated.
Yeah this is a lot of it. Some stuff makes me immediately check out ie citing the price at Gamestop, citing much worse condition eBay listings etc... I understand wanting a deal but being respectful is important.
Joeya2001 wrote:
I’ll tell you what tho, my last 2 conversations on here, someone, one was for a trade how much I would include for cash, I said how much, never replied. The second one, they asked how much, I have a price and still waiting for a reply lol even tho during the deal talking process they responded pretty fast. I just stop reaching out at that point.
Often times people don't bother responding if the answer is no. I am guilty of this as well, but am trying to be better about it.
GTZ Entitlement